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Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by oxryly1 »

Bud wrote: post #30

Oh, great. So all the companies that have recently had the most problems with ethics issues and user privacy issues are now collaborating in order to more effectively address those issues? Pardon me if my scoffing is audible.

IMHO ethics will effectively be the defining characteristic of AI in the future. The companies who innovate AI, however, will probably never mention it except as marketing copy.

That leaves literally everyone else holding the bag in regards to judging the industries actions and holding it accountable for transgressions. I'm not sure how that will work out, but I'm not terribly hopeful...

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by meeper16 »

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

Historically, Apple is known to focus more on hardware than software. Hence, failures in maps, search and other aspects compared to Google.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by Ros2 »

Bud wrote: post #32
Ros2 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard. Siri never delivered on what was promised--part of the reason the microphone in the new wireless earbuds is so laughable. Apple currently has no answer to Allo or chat bots in general. >For example, see the article floating a few weeks ago on Medium (I think) on how Apple was embedding ML in everyth…

Uh, you're just making this up. You have no idea whether the "microphone" (by the way, for those who are not fact-averse, it's dual beam-forming mics) in the new wireless earbuds is "laughable". They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. By the way, it's actually very easy to teach Apple's devices the word "fucking". You haven't figured it out yet, but that doesn't make it Ap…

>They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever.

This is a funny assertion.

I've used a microphone before, I've used headphones before, and I've used Siri before.

Call me brazen but I believe I can imagine the advanced world that will exist post Apple wireless earbuds, dual beaming microphones and all.

You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and the media has generally laughed at and dismissed.

You also didn't actually respond to my main point about them, that Siri never delivered on its value proposition. If it had, it might be considered a great product.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by runesoerensen »

jonathankoren wrote: post #36
runesoerensen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like it: https://twitter.com/OpenAI/status/781243032582578177

Actually that sounds like some shade tossed on this endevour. i.e. They were either not asked, or had to pony up money that only a multibillion dollar megacorp could part with.

> They were either not asked, or had to pony up money that only a multibillion dollar megacorp could part with.

Perhaps you're right, but at least it seems like OpenAI would like to join if/when invited. Judging from the press release it sounds like this partnership intend to invite non-corporate/non-profit members soon (and I think they'll loose a lot of credibility and support if they don't):

"Academics, non-profits, and specialists in policy and ethics will be invited to join the Board of the organization, named the Partnership on Artificial Intelligence to Benefit People and Society (Partnership on AI)." ... "There will be equal representation of corporate and non-corporate members on the board of this new organization"

http://www.partnershiponai.org/2016/09/industry-leaders-esta...

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by obmelvin »

Bud wrote: post #32
Ros2 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard. Siri never delivered on what was promised--part of the reason the microphone in the new wireless earbuds is so laughable. Apple currently has no answer to Allo or chat bots in general. >For example, see the article floating a few weeks ago on Medium (I think) on how Apple was embedding ML in everyth…

Uh, you're just making this up. You have no idea whether the "microphone" (by the way, for those who are not fact-averse, it's dual beam-forming mics) in the new wireless earbuds is "laughable". They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. By the way, it's actually very easy to teach Apple's devices the word "fucking". You haven't figured it out yet, but that doesn't make it Ap…

He is referring to the fact that a mic with poor speech to text models isn't that helpful. Which is not made up, Apple is definitely behind Google (and perhaps others) in the accuracy of their mobile speech to text.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

pron wrote: post #19

Calling simple statistical clustering algorithms that are tweaked by lots of trial-and-error heuristics "AI" feels like calling those slow two-wheeled electric self-balancing skateboards "hoverboards". Sometimes marketing can be too dramatic.

Shh. You're among blue monkeys. They stone green monkeys.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by gavman »

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group."

It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did anyone else take away from this that the other big players are not including them at the table/considering them real competition?

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-29/apple-s-se...

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by aub3bhat »

aleeds wrote: post #16
aub3bhat wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly this comment reads like an emotional outburst, by someone who has zero clue about the domain. Its very well known fact in AI/ML community, that Apple has almost little or no talent nor do they have any major efforts at organizational level (E.g. FAIR at FB, MSR, Brain & Deep Mind at Google). >> But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead. LOL where did you get this from? I am pretty sure that Google NTM which…

"But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead." was an example of a statement that could be made if metrics existed, he is not asserting that that is true.

I assumed that he was asserting it to be true, because as my updated comments shows, the metrics do exist. But Apple neither releases them nor does it discloses the architecture/technology (if any) used.
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