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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by treehau5 »

itg wrote: post #40
radicaldreamer wrote: post #34

Seems like it's oriented toward lobbying and keeping AI from being regulated.

Good, there's enough fear mongering about it when we don't even know where to start when it comes to building an AGI.

It's not fear mongering. Some of the ideas I hear from people on this forum, from academia, and the likes are just downright terrifying, and we don't even know what future AI will be capable of.

We have to decide as a society, and decide really soon how far we are willing to take AI research.

We built the nuclear bomb, but we decided when to stop. We didn't build more advanced bombs that could level entire providences, even though we very well could have. I know this sounds ridiculous, in that we aren't talking the same level of potential devastation, but it's the principle I am after.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by xenobioticants »

hellameta wrote: post #86
tomnipotent wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

I'm surprised at this "Apple not AI" narrative. I've had Google Maps & Waze on my iPhone for years and neither of them seamlessly turned on "where did I park my car" feature. I just turned my iPhone on one morning and it just told me. Now, mind you, this may not be a fancy deep learning model. It could be some simple linear model, maybe a tree model, hell, maybe it's hardcoded rules? But despite these things Apple de…

It uses a combination of Bluetooth (if you're near/connected to your car's stereo), motion sensor and GPS.

If you started moving at 70KM/h nowhere near a train or bus station, and then suddenly stopped moving at that speed and shortly after started moving at 5KM/h, you've clearly just got out of your car. Use bluetooth for extra verification if possible. When certain, get location (or load location) from GPS and mark spot. Tadaa, no fancy learning model needed.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by treehau5 »

hueving wrote: post #79
rojobuffalo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only fear mongering if it's deliberate for some ulterior end. If spreading concern is only motivated by protecting the human race from destroying itself--that would be a reasonable thing to talk about. Who's benefiting from urging caution about potential bad outcomes for AGI?

>Who's benefiting from urging caution about potential bad outcomes for AGI? Every single person working in a position on the cusp of automation. The same thing happens with any new technology that threatens massive industries. (automobiles, airplanes, electricity, heating oil, etc)

Except automation unlike all those others you reference in that they all created new industries. AGI to cut the jobs and save labor costs for these large corporations.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by LeoPanthera »

tomnipotent wrote: post #65
gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

The new version of the Photos app does image recognition. It seems to work fairly well, and unlike Google Photos, happens locally on the device and doesn't require cloud uploads.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by hellameta »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #90
hellameta wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised at this "Apple not AI" narrative. I've had Google Maps & Waze on my iPhone for years and neither of them seamlessly turned on "where did I park my car" feature. I just turned my iPhone on one morning and it just told me. Now, mind you, this may not be a fancy deep learning model. It could be some simple linear model, maybe a tree model, hell, maybe it's hardcoded rules? But despite these things Apple de…

Google Now does this automaticly for a very long time. They don't have enough permissions on iOS, I suppose. Cross referenced it, because Cortana can't do it in iOS for that reason

Well, not surprised of course! Anyway, perhaps I'm just a simple man, ... besides searching the web, I think that's the best AI type feature for the consumer yet!

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by tomnipotent »

eridius wrote: post #72
tomnipotent wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

At WWDC they talked about how they put AI all throughout the system. It's not just when talking to Siri. It's things like suggested apps, photo tagging, deciding when to refresh apps in the background, text prediction, and probably lots of other stuff that I can't even think of because Apple's approach to AI is to make AI largely an implementation detail of the experience rather than a user-visible component.

>> Apple's approach to AI is to make AI largely an implementation detail of the experience rather than a user-visible component.

That sums it up nicely, I'm a bit embarrassed those features didn't cross my mind when thinking about Apple/AI. Reinforces your point - its use in invisible, much like their presence in this consortium.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by hellameta »

xenobioticants wrote: post #92
hellameta wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised at this "Apple not AI" narrative. I've had Google Maps & Waze on my iPhone for years and neither of them seamlessly turned on "where did I park my car" feature. I just turned my iPhone on one morning and it just told me. Now, mind you, this may not be a fancy deep learning model. It could be some simple linear model, maybe a tree model, hell, maybe it's hardcoded rules? But despite these things Apple de…

It uses a combination of Bluetooth (if you're near/connected to your car's stereo), motion sensor and GPS. If you started moving at 70KM/h nowhere near a train or bus station, and then suddenly stopped moving at that speed and shortly after started moving at 5KM/h, you've clearly just got out of your car. Use bluetooth for extra verification if possible. When certain, get location (or load location) from GPS and mark…

Those sound like features that would be perfect for a learning model, otherwise you're stuck hardcoding the conditions and thresholds, no?

edit: anyway, besides the point.. I just love that feature haha

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by _coaxialcabal »

oxryly1 wrote: post #41
Bud wrote: post #30

Oh, great. So all the companies that have recently had the most problems with ethics issues and user privacy issues are now collaborating in order to more effectively address those issues? Pardon me if my scoffing is audible.

IMHO ethics will effectively be the defining characteristic of AI in the future. The companies who innovate AI, however, will probably never mention it except as marketing copy. That leaves literally everyone else holding the bag in regards to judging the industries actions and holding it accountable for transgressions. I'm not sure how that will work out, but I'm not terribly hopeful...

So, not that different from Basel III?

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by coldtea »

xenobioticants wrote: post #84
j1vms wrote: post #63

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Whether right or wrong, I think it's good to keep in mind that Apple has, by far the highest quarterly profit and total asset value, compared to any of these companies - it really is a giant among giants. Alphabet certainly has an excellent future outlook (reflected in the markets), but its current financial state still pales in comparison to Apple. Taking this into account, I figure Apple thinks twice and thrice bef…

'it really is a giant among giants.' You're confused. That would be Alphabet, not Apple. To put it in perspective for you, Google has: ~90% of the search market ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-... ) ~90% of the smartphone market ( https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/gartner-androids-smartphon... ) ~50% of the online advertisement market ( http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Google-Still-Domin…

>* I can think you can see the point I'm making: yes, Apple has a big pile of cash, a fat amount of profit and high stock value. However, Alphabet its influence and reach is far, far beyond that of Apple. Its just not as flashy & visible.*

Yeah, Alphabet is bigger in every way that counts except those two inconsequential things for companies: revenue and profit.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by xenobioticants »

hellameta wrote: post #97
xenobioticants wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It uses a combination of Bluetooth (if you're near/connected to your car's stereo), motion sensor and GPS. If you started moving at 70KM/h nowhere near a train or bus station, and then suddenly stopped moving at that speed and shortly after started moving at 5KM/h, you've clearly just got out of your car. Use bluetooth for extra verification if possible. When certain, get location (or load location) from GPS and mark…

Those sound like features that would be perfect for a learning model, otherwise you're stuck hardcoding the conditions and thresholds, no? edit: anyway, besides the point.. I just love that feature haha

Yeah didn't mean to sound that abrasive.. damn booze.

It is a nice feature indeed

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