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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Seems like it's oriented toward lobbying and keeping AI from being regulated.

Good, there's enough fear mongering about it when we don't even know where to start when it comes to building an AGI.

It's only fear mongering if it's deliberate for some ulterior end. If spreading concern is only motivated by protecting the human race from destroying itself--that would be a reasonable thing to talk about. Who's benefiting from urging caution about potential bad outcomes for AGI?

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

At WWDC they talked about how they put AI all throughout the system. It's not just when talking to Siri. It's things like suggested apps, photo tagging, deciding when to refresh apps in the background, text prediction, and probably lots of other stuff that I can't even think of because Apple's approach to AI is to make AI largely an implementation detail of the experience rather than a user-visible component.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

It's just FUD. This whole thing is a boorish marketing exercise about throwing money about and which will go nowhere.

That's why Apple is out. It doesn't waste it's money.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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> This sounds like it was written by some PR person. It probably was. The article is pretty clearly a press release with some touch-up. This happens a lot when the pressure is to be first to publish. Someone gives you a completely-written "story" and off you go.

That quote wasn't from the article, it was from the org website ( http://www.partnershiponai.org/faq/ ).

I sit corrected.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.

But their revenue stream is generated from war.

Só the only reasonable answer is none of these two (neither Facebook)

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Hurt it how ?

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.

> revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications Oh, it is! Not only that, but their revenue stream is mining that data and handing it over to the government: http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/business/ATL10.php

Analyzing data given to them or public is not the same thing as exfiltrating data from your users devices in misleading ways (e.g. Sending wifi info back even when wifi is off).

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

Because machine learning is one of the most important tricks they're going to be able to use to make their devices even more intuitively usable. There should be entire teams at Apple salivating at new ways to extend powerful functionality to users _without_ making the interface to do so gross and complicated. And they probably are -- they've acquired several ML startups lately. (Hi, Turi friends!)

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Good, there's enough fear mongering about it when we don't even know where to start when it comes to building an AGI.

It's only fear mongering if it's deliberate for some ulterior end. If spreading concern is only motivated by protecting the human race from destroying itself--that would be a reasonable thing to talk about. Who's benefiting from urging caution about potential bad outcomes for AGI?

>Who's benefiting from urging caution about potential bad outcomes for AGI?

Every single person working in a position on the cusp of automation.

The same thing happens with any new technology that threatens massive industries. (automobiles, airplanes, electricity, heating oil, etc)

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Whether right or wrong, I think it's good to keep in mind that Apple has, by far the highest quarterly profit and total asset value, compared to any of these companies - it really is a giant among giants. Alphabet certainly has an excellent future outlook (reflected in the markets), but its current financial state still pales in comparison to Apple. Taking this into account, I figure Apple thinks twice and thrice bef…

I also don't think of them as a straight technology company, but more of a best of breed product company focused on a great user experience. In that sense, high risk, long term investments that don't have an immediate application don't fit their profile.

> best of breed product company focused on a great user experience

somehow i put them in the same category as LG, Samsung and Sony, albeit 100x better at what they do.

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