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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by ucaetano »

hueving wrote: post #54
JabavuAdams wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the DeepMind people seem quite idealistic. Whether they can maintain that idealism in the face of corporate pressures is another story. The character of the founders and engineers matters. Would you rather have GAI developed by DeepMind / Google, or by Lockheed Martin?

Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.

> revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications

Oh, it is! Not only that, but their revenue stream is mining that data and handing it over to the government: http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/business/ATL10.php

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by j1vms »

gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Whether right or wrong, I think it's good to keep in mind that Apple has, by far the highest quarterly profit and total asset value, compared to any of these companies - it really is a giant among giants. Alphabet certainly has an excellent future outlook (reflected in the markets), but its current financial state still pales in comparison to Apple.

Taking this into account, I figure Apple thinks twice and thrice before joining industry consortiums and partnerships that they didn't initiate themselves. This would be straightforward posturing/strategizing on their part, and probably doesn't reveal too much about the current state of their R&D in Machine Learning. It's unfortunate that things are this way, but nothing unusual from a "game theory" perspective.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by tomnipotent »

gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits.

Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by duaneb »

flamedoge wrote: post #59
debt wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apple isn't hurt by this at all. they likely don't want to commit any resources beyond a spokesperson mentioning that their enthusiastic about it. this partnership thing is a pr move that makes all involved look good. investors and shareholders alike thinkin "cool they're working on ai, that's good" what will come of the partnership? nothing other than a place journalists can ping for questions about ai.

As tradition, Apple will come in mid-hype and do it "right"

AI is by nature abstract. Once it's not abstract, there is typically a more useful term for it: classification, recognition, search, etc etc. What do you mean by doing AI right? Apple's track record with doing something right applies to product lines, not their technology.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by rbc »

rbc wrote: post #46

Does all this fuss about AI mean the Lisp machines will come back? ;)

I'll add that I've owned both a Symbolics 3620 and a MacIvory. I was being a little glib, but I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of resurrection of the Lisp machine technology.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by altcognito »

j1vms wrote: post #63
gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Whether right or wrong, I think it's good to keep in mind that Apple has, by far the highest quarterly profit and total asset value, compared to any of these companies - it really is a giant among giants. Alphabet certainly has an excellent future outlook (reflected in the markets), but its current financial state still pales in comparison to Apple. Taking this into account, I figure Apple thinks twice and thrice bef…

I also don't think of them as a straight technology company, but more of a best of breed product company focused on a great user experience. In that sense, high risk, long term investments that don't have an immediate application don't fit their profile.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by ENGNR »

tomnipotent wrote: post #65
gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

Why are you surprised that Apple isn't involved in a field that has no material impact on their business? Outside of Siri and related projects, I don't see where AI/machine learning has any immediate benefits. Twitter and Intel missing seems like something to take note of, but I didn't even think twice about Apple. I'm more surprised GE is missing than Apple.

I use Android, but Apple are doing some good personal assistant stuff like tagging friends in photos, -without- uploading them to the cloud. A true personal assistant that can use machine learning locally and with discretion sounds pretty great

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by Fricken »

phodo wrote: post #5

At the risk of ad hominem, this is typical techcrunch reporting: >> "Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of whom are part of this new group." How exactly is it that TC knows that Apple has indeed fallen behind? Are they privy to the Apple ML roadmap? Are they using…

There's nothing wrong with a little trash talk to provoke a cagey player into revealing their hand.
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