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Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

apsec112 wrote: post #4

Are LeCun, Corrado, etc. actually running this? They're pretty busy, and the website doesn't sound like them: "We believe that by taking a multi-party stakeholder approach to identifying and addressing challenges and opportunities in an open and inclusive manner, we can have the greatest benefit and positive impact for the users of AI technologies. While the Partnership on AI was founded by five major IT companies, t…

You could define an IT company to be a company whose primary business is computer-based storage, retrieval, and manipulation of information, and with such a definition what company could be more IT-like than Google or Facebook?

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by JabavuAdams »

meira wrote: post #33

> “We want to involve people impacted by AI as well,” said Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder and head of applied AI at DeepMind, a subsidiary of Alphabet. Who believes that this is to favor users, believes in everything.

Actually, the DeepMind people seem quite idealistic. Whether they can maintain that idealism in the face of corporate pressures is another story.

The character of the founders and engineers matters. Would you rather have GAI developed by DeepMind / Google, or by Lockheed Martin?

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by theDoug »

gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

No.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by hueving »

JabavuAdams wrote: post #52
meira wrote: post #33

> “We want to involve people impacted by AI as well,” said Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder and head of applied AI at DeepMind, a subsidiary of Alphabet. Who believes that this is to favor users, believes in everything.

Actually, the DeepMind people seem quite idealistic. Whether they can maintain that idealism in the face of corporate pressures is another story. The character of the founders and engineers matters. Would you rather have GAI developed by DeepMind / Google, or by Lockheed Martin?

Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by joemi »

Ros2 wrote: post #43
Bud wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, you're just making this up. You have no idea whether the "microphone" (by the way, for those who are not fact-averse, it's dual beam-forming mics) in the new wireless earbuds is "laughable". They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. By the way, it's actually very easy to teach Apple's devices the word "fucking". You haven't figured it out yet, but that doesn't make it Ap…

>They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. This is a funny assertion. I've used a microphone before, I've used headphones before, and I've used Siri before. Call me brazen but I believe I can imagine the advanced world that will exist post Apple wireless earbuds, dual beaming microphones and all. You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and…

> You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and the media has generally laughed at and dismissed.

I didn't read it as being for a product, but instead, against people being against it without having tried it. Granted, it's certainly possible to be against something without having tried it (for instance, I've never broken a bone in my body, but I'm pretty confident in my stance against ever wanting to do it), but when it comes to something like how well a new microphone works, it's really hard to say without having tried it and without having anybody else who's tried to it rely on. Relying on the media you've read that "laughed at and dismissed" it isn't relying on much at all, until it's actually released and properly reviewed.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by tonmoy »

hueving wrote: post #54
JabavuAdams wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the DeepMind people seem quite idealistic. Whether they can maintain that idealism in the face of corporate pressures is another story. The character of the founders and engineers matters. Would you rather have GAI developed by DeepMind / Google, or by Lockheed Martin?

Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.

But their revenue stream is generated from war.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by debt »

gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

apple isn't hurt by this at all. they likely don't want to commit any resources beyond a spokesperson mentioning that their enthusiastic about it.

this partnership thing is a pr move that makes all involved look good. investors and shareholders alike thinkin "cool they're working on ai, that's good"

what will come of the partnership? nothing other than a place journalists can ping for questions about ai.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by ctrlalt_g »

oxryly1 wrote: post #41
Bud wrote: post #30

Oh, great. So all the companies that have recently had the most problems with ethics issues and user privacy issues are now collaborating in order to more effectively address those issues? Pardon me if my scoffing is audible.

IMHO ethics will effectively be the defining characteristic of AI in the future. The companies who innovate AI, however, will probably never mention it except as marketing copy. That leaves literally everyone else holding the bag in regards to judging the industries actions and holding it accountable for transgressions. I'm not sure how that will work out, but I'm not terribly hopeful...

I'm probably going to be downvoted to oblivion, but I would actually be more at ease in general if most people would defer critical judgments to a reliable and open-sourced AI. For example in terms of driving, my discomfort about how an AI would handle being Kobayashi Maru'd is far less significant than my discomfort about encountering a teenage driver.

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by flamedoge »

debt wrote: post #57
gavman wrote: post #49

>>"As of today’s launch, companies like Apple, Twitter, Intel and Baidu are missing from the group. Though Apple is said to be enthusiastic about the project, their absence is still notable because the company has fallen behind in artificial intelligence when compared to its rivals — many of which are part of this new group." It seems Apple's lack of engagement in the community [1] is really starting to hurt it. Did…

apple isn't hurt by this at all. they likely don't want to commit any resources beyond a spokesperson mentioning that their enthusiastic about it. this partnership thing is a pr move that makes all involved look good. investors and shareholders alike thinkin "cool they're working on ai, that's good" what will come of the partnership? nothing other than a place journalists can ping for questions about ai.

As tradition, Apple will come in mid-hype and do it "right"

Re: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM and Microsoft Create Partnership on AI

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Post by andreyk »

apsec112 wrote: post #4

Are LeCun, Corrado, etc. actually running this? They're pretty busy, and the website doesn't sound like them: "We believe that by taking a multi-party stakeholder approach to identifying and addressing challenges and opportunities in an open and inclusive manner, we can have the greatest benefit and positive impact for the users of AI technologies. While the Partnership on AI was founded by five major IT companies, t…

Seems so based on LeCun and others' posts on Facebook -https://www.facebook.com/yann.lecun/posts/10153847670912143

"Finally we announced the Partnership on AI to benefit people and society!

Amazon, Google/DeepMind, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft will collaborate to advance understanding of AI and discuss best practices on challenging issues such as ethics and trust. The five companies are founding the initiative, but everybody is invited to join.

Representatives are Eric Horvitz (Microsoft), Yann LeCun (Facebook), Mustafa Suleyman (DeepMind), Ralf Herbrich (Amazon), and myself from IBM. More info at www.partnershiponai.org

Looking forward to start working together on this exciting initiative!"

"A picture of the co-founders of the Partnership on AI, at the IBM Watson Headquarters in NYC (on Astor Place, across the street from my Facebook office!). With Eric Horvitz, Francesca Rossi, me and Mustafa Suleyman. Ralf Herbrich joined us by phone from Germany."

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