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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by aorth »

oAlbe wrote: post #160
aorth wrote: post #60

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I maintain a copy of Firefox Developer Edition on my system and I make a concerted effort to open it every few days so it can update itself and so I can test any new sites or blog posts I'm working on. I've tried to switch back to Firefox cold turkey in the past and it never works for me, but I might introduce a personal policy of one week on, one week off, alternating between Firefox and Chrome.

> it never works for me Why not? What are the factors that convinced you to stay with Chrome? (genuine questions)

I think it's just that the UI feels laggy when switching tabs, especially if another page is loading. This might be getting better, though: today I just randomly stumbled on this Mozilla wiki page discussing their plan for dealing with this UI lag: increasing the number of content threads.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Multiple_content_proce...

The setting defaults to 1, but will be moving to 2, and then 5 eventually. I'm testing Firefox Developer Edition 51.0a2 (2016-09-26) with this set at 4 right now. I only ever have ~10 tabs open, uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger addon, and my machine is fast and has lots of RAM.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by j-pb »

robin_reala wrote: post #161
j-pb wrote: post #137

Firefox lost me when they conspired to kill WebSQL. They were the ones used the vast marked share they had to push the trendy thing of the day, namely nosql and IndexeDB, a technology which is bemoaned by web developers today. I think the fact that there is another post about SQLite on the front page right now, attests that it would have been better to just standardise that. But then all those greenfield "spec hacker…

WebSQL was never a spec. It was literally implemented as ‘be bug compatible with this specific version of SQLite’. There was no way that that was going to be accepted by Mozilla and Microsoft.

There was actually an offer to turn SQlite3 into a spec under the condition that Firefox agreed to implement it. Firefox declined since they didn't want to "confuse" developers with too many options.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by nachtigall »

anotheryou wrote: post #230
nachtigall wrote: post #222

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Is this feature natively built into the devtools of chrome or a chrome extension?

yes, quite hidden and complicated to set up though, because it needs to map the server stuff to the local file system.

btw, do you have a link? I wonder if this works with sass/less and uglify transpilers...

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by shaftway »

Grishnakh wrote: post #260
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #144

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Vegetarianism can be the norm, but for that to happen one of two things must happen: either the cost of meat has to be prohibitively expensive ("the stick") or vegetarian dishes have to be more appealing to the public at large ("the carrot"). Neither of those things have happened yet. For Firefox to gain market share, either the perceived "cost" of using Chrome has to skyrocket or Firefox has to be superior for a com…

>Vegetarianism can be the norm, but for that to happen one of two things must happen: either the cost of meat has to be prohibitively expensive ("the stick") or vegetarian dishes have to be more appealing to the public at large ("the carrot"). Neither of those things have happened yet. That's not really true, about them being appealing. There's several Italian pasta dishes that are quite tasty which I frequently make…

> what kind of weirdo doesn't like spaghetti?

Type 2 Diabetics?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by ionised »

Grishnakh wrote: post #260
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #144

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Vegetarianism can be the norm, but for that to happen one of two things must happen: either the cost of meat has to be prohibitively expensive ("the stick") or vegetarian dishes have to be more appealing to the public at large ("the carrot"). Neither of those things have happened yet. For Firefox to gain market share, either the perceived "cost" of using Chrome has to skyrocket or Firefox has to be superior for a com…

>Vegetarianism can be the norm, but for that to happen one of two things must happen: either the cost of meat has to be prohibitively expensive ("the stick") or vegetarian dishes have to be more appealing to the public at large ("the carrot"). Neither of those things have happened yet. That's not really true, about them being appealing. There's several Italian pasta dishes that are quite tasty which I frequently make…

Me, I hate spaghetti.

I won't eat white pasta (or white rice/bread) in general.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by Can_Not »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #241
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #144

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Vegetarianism can be the norm, but for that to happen one of two things must happen: either the cost of meat has to be prohibitively expensive ("the stick") or vegetarian dishes have to be more appealing to the public at large ("the carrot"). Neither of those things have happened yet. For Firefox to gain market share, either the perceived "cost" of using Chrome has to skyrocket or Firefox has to be superior for a com…

Firefox for Android allows you to install extensions. Most notably, it allows you to install an adblocker like uBlock Origin. Chrome for Android does not. I'd consider that a killer feature.

Also Firefox on mobile is already much better.

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Post by softawre »

CyberShadow wrote: post #228
phs318u wrote: post #134

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Not offended, but I don't consider myself a sheep. While some see no difference between mega-corps, there are a few key things that I value Apple for over Google. 1. The seamlessness of the ecosystem. 2. The low rate at which products are introduced only to be unceremoniously knifed when you least expect it. 3. The fact that I'm the customer not the product. 4. The public stance they've taken on their customers' secu…

That's a false dichotomy. You can use Android together with any degree of Google integration that you find comfortable, with one extreme being the stock Nexus ROM, and the other being AOSP or derivative ROM, with no Google apps (such as Play Store / Gmail / Maps). There are open-source / self-hosted alternatives to many of those.

Great point. You can also engineer your own cell phone if you want.

But I've got enough to do. Apple phones just work.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by endemic »

dkuntz2 wrote: post #270
endemic wrote: post #254

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Just curious, why is Chrome better for you? I switched back to Firefox after e10s landed, and tbh they are now functionally equivalent (for me, at least). I now choose Firefox because I find myself more aligned with Mozilla's philosophy, and to promote cross-browser consistency.

Is e10s the default now? I thought you had to enable it yourself, and some extensions weren't huge fans.

I had been using beta/etc. versions. Yeah I've also heard that some extensions don't work within a sandbox, but I'm not really an extensions-type person.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by hashhar »

jplayer01 wrote: post #185
chrismorgan wrote: post #121

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Firefox can cope with hundreds of tabs just fine. Way better than Chrome can cope with a similar workload, both in terms of memory usage and UI (Chrome winds up with tabs only a few pixels wide, with no information visible!). Firefox’s reputation is because of its history: when Chrome was new it did perform really well and Firefox did have serious performance issues. Chrome has been marvellous for Firefox. The sad th…

Hundreds? No way. It runs like crap with a few dozen tabs and I always have to restart it so it doesn't start slowing down and behaving badly.

I have 34 tabs open in a tab group which only has blogs, about 30 for Mozilla and GNOME projects, 17 for my minor project, 14 for reddit, imgur and chan, 23 for placements interview and coding stuff plus a lot of miscellaneous stuff puts the total at 143 tabs with ONLY 1.5GB of RAM and almost idle CPU (2 to 3%). I exported the bookmarks and opened them all on chrome and it died!!!

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by staticelf »

josteink wrote: post #233
staticelf wrote: post #194

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My issue with firefox is mainly it's startup time. It's horrible. Edge and Chrome start instantly while firefox takes 20-30 seconds. Maybe its because I have pinned tabs only in firefox since its my main browser and that I have more plugins there but it's still unresponsive and feels sluggish.

> My issue with firefox is mainly it's startup time. I'm 'll try not to argue the details too much here, but at least I'll outline how I experience it: Firefox's start time may not be instant, but its quick enough and more importantly is consistent no matter how many windows and tabs I have. Starting Firefox does not impair the overall performance of my machine. Chrome presents an initial window pretty quickly, but i…

Recent versions of Firefox also have tabs as seperate processes but is just as slow to start as before. Chrome might take equal time to load (it does not on my machine) but it presents the user with a smoother experience. It doesn't feel laggy at all.

I game a lot so I use to close down Firefox since it drains so much memeory and CPU. So I restart my browser a bit too often to not suffer from it. This has basically led me to start Edge more and more since it is the quickest of the three and drains the least performance of my computer.

I honestly care about start time and if it's not going to improve I will leave firefox for chrome sooner or later (even if I do not wish to). But that is honestly not either the only issue Firefox has, it is laggy in rendering web stuff that actually surprises me. Agar.io for example, is laggy for me in Firefox but not in Chrome or Edge.

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