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Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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Seems great for all the basic research it will require. But I'm unsure about the morality of it. I think the drive to expand and discover new things is perhaps a direct cause of the deeper problems we have on Earth. Would humanity be better off just becoming a sustainable population of monks? Or are we morally equivalent to a virus, reduced to survival of the fittest and always seeking out the next host to reap?

Does it really matter? I mean honestly... until we discover other life out there, nothing we do matters one little bit as long as we stay alive. We owe it to the future of our species to diversify as much as possible. Even if we go green and save the planet, our planet will end anyway. Accidents, asteroids, etc. Something will get the planet, it will.

But even if we go farm out every other planet and make it barren and even if we mined every ounce of every other planet in our galaxy... if we're the only life in the area, or the only life in the universe, it doesn't matter one bit. We could blow up every single other planet and it wouldn't hurt us at all, because we can't live there.

So the only thing that makes sense is to keep living like we are the only life in the universe, all the while trying to figure out if that's true or not. Mars isn't alive. Venus isn't alive. The moon isn't alive. It's not "reaping" a "host" any more than me painting the walls of my house is. It doesn't make one lick of difference. There's nothing immoral about spreading to other lifeless planets.

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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>What are we going to do on Mars? Probably the same stuff we do on Earth? Also- sports would be pretty cool in low gravity (37% of Earth's gravity)

Are you going to need bones to play them?

Only if you plan on coming back to Earth, which they're not.

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The problems we take with us aren't the problem this project addresses---there is one problem we unequivocally leave behind if we successfully colonize Mars. For all our accomplishments, the human species is one unavoidable planet-scale disaster away from total extinction. We know this class of disaster has happened in Earth's past, and we know we lack the capability to stop it. Colonizing Mars gives the species that…

There is no disaster that has ever happened to Earth that could wipe out a species that can survive on Mars . A giant asteroid colliding with Earth would probably leave more humans here than the whole of Mars could even support.

Doesn't that imply that solving the problem of surviving on Mars increases the chances of our survivability in another Late Devonian mass-extinction scenario?

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We won't really be an interplanetary species until we can get back from Mars. Imagine being colonists on Mars without the ability to be totally self-sustaining without technology and supplies from Earth and nuclear war breaks out. It's going to be a long time before any Mars colony can survive on its own.

Musk just answered a question that said you can come back if you want to.

"The spaceship is coming back anyway, you can get on if you want. Free"

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Venus also has no magnetic field. It has much stronger gravity as well, requiring larger rockets to take off from it, and it is quite difficult to mine resources from due to the high temperatures and pressures at the surface, meaning all materials for a colony would need to be sent from Earth.

Venus has an induced magnetic field which while isn't as good as what we got on Earth, is better than what you have on Mars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#Induced_ma... Additionally the current theory is that if Venus will be sped up to below 56h per rotation it would regenerate it's intrinsic magnetic field which should be near earth levels. And while Venus does have higher gravity than Mars, it'…

Easier to live in Mars with some radiation and lower temperatures (and pressure) as opposed to 400C and acid rains of Venus

Re: Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species [video]

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You're my hero! This attitude is why I quit regularly contributing to this site. Any time any single person does something positive, some armchair "expert" comes out the woodworks to tell you how it won't work or can't work.

It's especially exaggerated here -- almost comically so -- when the subject is JavaScript or when something isn't quite right with a project's website.

Developers are a cynical bunch. It comes with the chops.
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