What HP Must Do to Make Amends for Its Self-Destructing Printers

Post by vonmoltke » Tue, Sep 27, 2016, 6:03 PM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #126

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Because, from healthcare, to consumer products, to software, to books, the US is paying full price to subsidize the cost to much of the world. The US is the profit center that makes possible the steeply-discounted-almost-free sales elsewhere.

The "full price" here was 15 percent of GlaxoSmithKline's revenue last year. They spent 40 percent on marketing. When can this myth die? http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2016/07/19/where-gs...

Post by intrasight » Tue, Sep 27, 2016, 6:24 PM UTC

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Obviously I'm older, but I'd prefer to pay a little more, and give you some profit, for a printer that's built to last, with some metal, rather than Then pay a reasonable price for cartridge with printhead ongoing, otherwise, if I'm successful keeping the printer as long as possible, I'm still recouping the low cost of the printer long past the point I bought enough ink to do so. I don't need high throughput, heavy d…

I bought a color laser printer for a few hundred bucks and despite almost never having to print anything it's one of the better purchases I've made. It just works. It's not wasteful. And it won't dry out from lack of use. I figure I'll break even over buying ink-jet printers and cartridges in another year or so. Even if everything costs more in short term, it's so much less wasteful.

Post by zwieback » Tue, Sep 27, 2016, 6:28 PM UTC

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I've spent the last 16 years at HP in inkjet printhead manufacturing and R&D. Roughly speaking, we've come up with two models: - disposable cartridges with printheads (what most people have at home), here we have to recoup the cost of the disposed silicon printhead and the low initial price of the printer - permanent printheads (what you're asking for) and disposable ink "tanks" of various capacities, here the challe…

Apparently a third and more sensible way is possible in the Indian market though, with the HP DeskJet GT printers, which have refillable reservoir tanks (not even disposable!) Yet somewhow they aren't offered for sale in Europe? Instead we get the subscription model, which involves yet more data (printer usage, ink levels) disappearing off to someone else's servers.

Post by zwieback » Tue, Sep 27, 2016, 6:35 PM UTC

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I've spent the last 16 years at HP in inkjet printhead manufacturing and R&D. Roughly speaking, we've come up with two models: - disposable cartridges with printheads (what most people have at home), here we have to recoup the cost of the disposed silicon printhead and the low initial price of the printer - permanent printheads (what you're asking for) and disposable ink "tanks" of various capacities, here the challe…

The above is exactly why i got out of ever buying an inkjet again and have re-adopted laser printers.

Post by VT_Drew » Tue, Sep 27, 2016, 6:41 PM UTC

segmondy wrote: post #138

For many years I've steered clear of HP products and voice a strong opinion against them. While HP figures it out, we should also preach against them to our colleagues, friends, family and to all. The only way these companies realize they are in the wrong is if their bottom line is affected, until then, they don't have a lick of empathy.