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U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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Re: U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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Three times I have been in the situation where the interview candidate was not the one answering questions. Twice we hired someone based on the phone interview and it was someone else who showed up. The third time it was someone reading interview answers off a chat client window. I'm mostly annoyed because it reduces the value of the phone screen and requires more face to face interviews.

How about a video call then?

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Re: U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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post #313

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Three times I have been in the situation where the interview candidate was not the one answering questions. Twice we hired someone based on the phone interview and it was someone else who showed up. The third time it was someone reading interview answers off a chat client window. I'm mostly annoyed because it reduces the value of the phone screen and requires more face to face interviews.

How about a video call then?

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Re: U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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I have had many people with 3-5 years of 'experience' developing not know how to find the smallest element in an array. Initially I was thinking it would be a quick check to see if people thought about null values, but apparently this is a hard problem... Now they might have been useful for something, but I suspect they are just playing the numbers game and showing up to a lot of interviews until they get in. So even…

I think it is interview paralysis. They can't believe an interview answer is ever supposed to be O(n). I've had it happen to me where I get tripped up on relatively easy problems because the initial easy solution I came up with wasn't sufficiently clever and magically log n or some such thing.

I can't believe it's just interview paralysis to be honest. I've had people try and solve problems like that with 3 nested loops. Completely failing to come up with a working solution after 20 minutes.

I've been in situations where those kind of people have been hired too. Their code tends to be quite bad...

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I agree woth this. I and my friends always wondered how so many Asians get accepted to top UK universities (with very high English-language requirements), when they can barely speak a word of intelligible English. Now I have a close friend from China, and the mistery is solved: others are doing their exams/essays/assignments for them. Keep in mind though, this is likely a huge generalisation (not all Chinese cheat an…

>>this is likely a huge generalisation... Ya think? Sorry man I wouldn't be profiled as a cheater like that due to race or citizenship.

I'm sure others were cheating as well, but it wasn't as blatantly obvious as with those Chinese who didn't even speak English. So I'd say being fluent in English is a good way to avoid being profiled this way.

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LMAO. I'm sorry but that's hilarious. How many years were you there?

I didn't go there, but I thought the same. "Techs" seem to always be private...MIT, Cal Tech, Florida Tech, etc. (Oh, by the way, Florida Tech definitely fits the aforementioned stereotype.)

Understandable misconception, but he went there.

Not being able to recognize cluelessness in other people might just be an understatement.

Re: U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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I did read the article. Here is one specific context where they are facing potential penalties because employee racial distribution != candidate pool racial distribution. On the other hand, in a different context, tech companies as a whole are taking a lot of flak because employee racial distribution != population racial distribution. > You also appear to be assuming that there's no way the qualified candidate pool c…

We (lefty types) generally want companies, Governments and people to put in effort to expand the "qualified candidate pool" to a point where it generally matches the population, and then put effort into ensuring they're non-discriminatory in hiring. Governments then create indexes which companies and politicians game because it's cheaper to "positively discriminate" in hiring than to put effort into attracting qualif…

What a distressing view of the world, where people are forced to live their lives according to your conception of what the "proper" proportion of things are. The applicant-pool should reflect the people who want the job, period. If the people that want a particular job are 90% women, or 80% men, or 50% black, or whatever, then that's totally fine. We are a nation of individual people deciding what to do with our own lives.

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As someone who might apply once I get my PhD, what does basic CS knowledge mean for you? Like what a tree is or fizzbuzz? Hopefully it isn't that terrible...how someone can make it through any amount of CS related schooling and not know the basics? Somewhat related anecdote, I do computational physics. I once attended "training seminar[0]" put on by the funders for using DOD supercomputers, and there was this soon-to…

> Like what a tree is or fizzbuzz? Hopefully it isn't that terrible...how someone can make it through any amount of CS related schooling and not know the basics? Ah! You're in for some surprise down the line. Fizzbuzz almost always clear out large amount of applicants.

I was a CS major, but my career took a different direction, and I haven't programmed "professionally" for 8+ years. I looked up the FizzBuzz question and wrote some psuedocode in about 5m.

It's sad that FizzBuzz is such a "weeding out" tool, but I guess good to know that I can still pass the first round of an entry-level technical interview!

Re: U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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This is a symptom of quota system that many schools and companies use to achieve diversity. Unfortunately, as Asian American, I have experienced it firsthand. Asian Americans are some of highest achieving minority, but due to their smaller number there is not enough quotas allocated to them. Many of my friends could not get into their first choice colleges or didn't get scholarships even with perfect grades, extracur…

> then got scholarships because of only ethnicity. Are you absolutely certain of that? How did you know?

One can't be 100% certain of anything. However, between 2/3 and 5/6 of black students at top colleges probably would have been rejected under a meritocratic admission system.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11904256

Similarly, it's established that Asians tend to meet a much higher SAT cutoff than blacks and whites.

http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-...

It's pretty safe to say that most blacks at Harvard don't deserve to be there and it probably should be an Asian in their place. You just can't say which specific blacks and Asians it should be.

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Wow a tad racist eh? How about this, I wonder how whites get in to top schools as they have lower GPAs, lower SAT, lower activities, etc. than their asian counterparts. I put more than half the blame on the universities and their "DIVERSITY" BS.... Long term it really dilutes the value of education in my eyes...

Strong username to post content ratio.

Are you using n-grams or ?

Re: U.S. regulators accuse Palantir of bias against Asians

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> then got scholarships because of only ethnicity. Are you absolutely certain of that? How did you know?

Generally, under affirmative action programmes and the like, nobody gets anything “just because of their ethnicity”. Rather, they may be given slightly reduced entry requirements, for example, to compensate for their background potentially disadvantaging them.

1.0 lower on GPA (e.g. 2.5 vs 3.5) is "slightly reduced entry requirements"?

http://web.archive.org/web/20080423221308/http://www.umich.e...

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