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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by maftieu »

verroq wrote: post #135
maftieu wrote: post #111

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I think people think Chrome is a best browser is because it performs better on Google products than any other browser. And as people are using GMail, Youtube or other, they see Chrome as the best browser.

Sorry but that is just not true, Firefox has miserable DOM performance that results in laggyness, freezes on pages that work fine with Chrome. Until the Firefox people accept that their browser sucks can they finally try to make it better. There is no sandboxing (in the works for how many years now?), their pdfjs is not as fast as the chrome native plugin, they force me to use the insecure and terribe flash plugin th…

Maybe it works best on Chrome, just because more and more web developpers test and optimize their app/site for... Chrome? (I've really saw this). Is this the return of the "IE era"?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by nachtigall »

anotheryou wrote: post #197
nachtigall wrote: post #191

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You might want to use wepack dev server or the live reload addon. That's what I use together with Firefox (Developer Edition).

Sadly reload changes the state of SPAs, that's why the sneaky CSS-only reload is so useful.

Is this feature natively built into the devtools of chrome or a chrome extension?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by Sylos »

douche wrote: post #32
bilbobeer wrote: post #3

What is most strange is that on linux, mint to be specific, on a recent install they advised to install 'chrome', even if you didn't plan to use it, the logic went "It's better to have a back-up browser" I say never have a GOOGLE PRODUCT of any kind near you, or on any electronic device in your control. What gives to tell people to put Chrome on their OS, note also that mint comes pre-installed video tools that are c…

Mint is a distribution for people who care more about actually using their computers than about ideological purity.

I don't think that's a fair thing to say. To me, being able to trust that my distribution is giving me reasonable help by pre-selecting good applications, is a vital help for me using my computer. I don't have the time to go through all of the applications that I use, so I trust my distribution to do it for me.

If my distribution were to make such a misstep as recommending me to send all my internet-data through a proprietary program made by the biggest data hoarder in the world, this trust would take a severe hit and I couldn't continue actually using my computer, as I'd have to check back with everything that their opinions don't continue to misalign so severely from mine.

Yes, I might have a higher interest in privacy than some other people and yes, there's people out there who for whatever reason seem to think that Google is worth trusting, but that doesn't mean that I just sit in front of my computer all day to be ideologically pure. I just have a different opinion of what's malicious and what's not, and wanting my distribution to agree with me in this aspect, is entirely in interest of being able to use my computer as frictionlessly as possible.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by super_mario »

Firefox was all about extensions and user control. But Mozilla has essentially decided to destroy their extensions eco system, and as a consequence lost me as their user and supporter.

I really loved and used Pentadactyl, but it's now gone and dead and so is Firefox as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by boggydepot »

icebraining wrote: post #214
qplex wrote: post #187

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People are far removed from seeing the actual results of their decisions. Humans are also very good at self deception. Even if you sort of know your beef is butchered, it carries little meaning since you never have to see it happen. Same goes for Google stealing your data or Apple making pretty phones with slave labor. Basically pretty much everybody needs to be smacked hard with a stick now and then and told what ki…

Humans are also very good at self deception. Even if you sort of know your beef is butchered, it carries little meaning since you never have to see it happen. I never understood this argument vis-a-vis butchering, since it implies pastoral farmers are particularly immoral people, unlike "regular" people who would stop their behaviour if only they'd see the results. Is that really your view? In my opinion, the opposit…

In my opinion, if one knows that an action is not right and still do it, then one would be immoral - common sight or not.

'butchering' is probably a grey area whether it is right or wrong. But overuse of anti-biotics and bad farming conditions causing disastrous health issues in humans is easily wrong.

edit: humans however are not perfect moral beings, I for example am super tempted to grab a slice of free pizza (which contains lots of butchered suffering animal products) here in the office. but in righting my comment here, I find some strength in fighting temptation.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by coldpie »

super_mario wrote: post #224

Firefox was all about extensions and user control. But Mozilla has essentially decided to destroy their extensions eco system, and as a consequence lost me as their user and supporter. I really loved and used Pentadactyl, but it's now gone and dead and so is Firefox as far as I'm concerned.

Can you elaborate? I've used Firefox for well over a decade, and while I'm not a heavy extension user, I haven't noticed any change in extension support for the handful I use.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by distances »

super_mario wrote: post #224

Firefox was all about extensions and user control. But Mozilla has essentially decided to destroy their extensions eco system, and as a consequence lost me as their user and supporter. I really loved and used Pentadactyl, but it's now gone and dead and so is Firefox as far as I'm concerned.

Can you expand a bit? I've no idea what you mean since my extensions are still working just fine.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by CyberShadow »

phs318u wrote: post #134
raverbashing wrote: post #95

Android is winning but the percentage that still use Apple is significant. Thank "the sheep" I guess... The winners mentioned are the ones that require the most resources, so I guess they'll keep being that even with Bing, etc I do use Firefox, sometimes it seems Chrome has more issues, sometimes it's FF, but I'd say they're pretty comparable (though FF has better dev tools builtin and it is easier to configure a pro…

Not offended, but I don't consider myself a sheep. While some see no difference between mega-corps, there are a few key things that I value Apple for over Google. 1. The seamlessness of the ecosystem. 2. The low rate at which products are introduced only to be unceremoniously knifed when you least expect it. 3. The fact that I'm the customer not the product. 4. The public stance they've taken on their customers' secu…

That's a false dichotomy. You can use Android together with any degree of Google integration that you find comfortable, with one extreme being the stock Nexus ROM, and the other being AOSP or derivative ROM, with no Google apps (such as Play Store / Gmail / Maps). There are open-source / self-hosted alternatives to many of those.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by distances »

Freak_NL wrote: post #163
formula1 wrote: post #99

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Do you honestly believe that switching to firefox will be the change? Its purely symbolic considering firefox has been heavilly funded by google in the past [0] and likely still influences their decisions. A few developers doesnt account for the millions of people that use chrome, widescale change requires influencers and those willing to stand up, not a bunch of upset introverts with a distaste for authority. Honest…

I used to think like that when I was a CS student back in 2000; “You can't beat Microsoft; their stuff is the best and you would be mad not to join their camp.”, all the while scoffing at those who used alternative OSes and browsers. At some point though I started to grasp the bigger context of software and the social impact it has, and started doubting my youthful sycophantic zeal. Then I switched to Phoenix (Firefo…

One good sales pitch: Firefox for Android has extensions (read: ad blockers), while Chrome doesn't. Faster page loads, less data quota used, less battery consumed, better privacy.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by anotheryou »

nachtigall wrote: post #222
anotheryou wrote: post #197

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Sadly reload changes the state of SPAs, that's why the sneaky CSS-only reload is so useful.

Is this feature natively built into the devtools of chrome or a chrome extension?

yes, quite hidden and complicated to set up though, because it needs to map the server stuff to the local file system.
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