This thread on reddit captures many of the reasons why I stopped using firefox - https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/3hugul/the_future_... . Extensions are what made firefox great for me, with the constantly evolving story for extensions over the years the community around building extensions appears to have dissipated.
Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#142This thread on reddit captures many of the reasons why I stopped using firefox - https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/3hugul/the_future_... . Extensions are what made firefox great for me, with the constantly evolving story for extensions over the years the community around building extensions appears to have dissipated.
They're implementing WebExtensions though, which is 99% compatible with FF! There's a solution coming in that regard :)
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#143This thread on reddit captures many of the reasons why I stopped using firefox - https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/3hugul/the_future_... . Extensions are what made firefox great for me, with the constantly evolving story for extensions over the years the community around building extensions appears to have dissipated.
They're implementing WebExtensions though, which is 99% compatible with FF! There's a solution coming in that regard :)
To quote Linus - "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!".
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#144What always strikes me about these pleas is how familiar they sound. They're reminiscent of all the things we "should" -- eat better, exercise more, lower our carbon footprint -- and I suspect they all see just about the same level of long term success. Firefox did well when their only real competitor (MS) was actively trying to make their own browser bad in order to preserve the relevance of the desktop OS and their…
The public at large will never be swayed to use less convenient alternatives for ethical reasons. But even so, if a small, dedicated group of people are convinced, they can keep the ethical alternative just alive enough that it remains a somewhat viable alternative. I don't think vegetarianism will ever be the norm, but there are enough vegetarians to create a market for vegetarian food. This creates options for peop…
Vegetarianism can be the norm, but for that to happen one of two things must happen: either the cost of meat has to be prohibitively expensive ("the stick") or vegetarian dishes have to be more appealing to the public at large ("the carrot"). Neither of those things have happened yet.
For Firefox to gain market share, either the perceived "cost" of using Chrome has to skyrocket or Firefox has to be superior for a common use case. Ethical arguments attempt to do the former, but imho nothing short of google charging for chrome will increase the cost.
Mozilla needs a killer web app that people want to use. Something like gmail that attracts millions of people, with features added to Firefox (new APIs or whatever) to make the app much more effective.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you stop using javascript as well?
I started using FF since 0.7 version guy, I switch to chrome after the internal Mozilla stupid polemics for Brendan marriage position. Open web? please, do me the favour..
So even though Eich stepped down over the issue, and gay developers said that the work culture at Mozilla did not represent Eich's position at all, you switched browsers?
The LGBT folks won that battle. If you don't switch back, then you've hurt their cause. OkCupid did this - they made a big song and dance about boycotting FireFox, intruding their political message into all their users' lives... and when the LGBT side won, not a peep out of OkCupid to repair the damage they'd done. Some others did similar things - appearing righteous was more important to them than actually being mature. If you don't stop the boycott after you've won, then the problem is with you.
(note: I am actually very pro-gay rights, but the actions of some around the Eich debacle were as deplorable as he was)
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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I agree, but the same applies to Chrome on X11.
No, I mean that even if you add additional layers of sandboxing, the chrome process can still access the X socket. A process with the ability to read and write to the X socket can record keypresses, issue mouse and key events, etc etc. (There's not a well-supported way to avoid this, but there are some tools that use Xpra for it.)
I know. My point was that Chrome does not have a security advantage over Firefox on X11, since the discussion was about the security advantages of Chrome/Chromium over Firefox.
We are in full agreement. On X11, the security model is: every application can see/do everything. You should only run an application in X11 when you fully trust it.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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I started using FF since 0.7 version guy, I switch to chrome after the internal Mozilla stupid polemics for Brendan marriage position. Open web? please, do me the favour..
So even though Eich stepped down over the issue, and gay developers said that the work culture at Mozilla did not represent Eich's position at all, you switched browsers? The LGBT folks won that battle. If you don't switch back, then you've hurt their cause. OkCupid did this - they made a big song and dance about boycotting FireFox, intruding their political message into all their users' lives... and when the LGBT si…
LGBT folks won that battle yes, but FF lose the browser war. bye
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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Firefox is good. It has support for modern standards, is performant, has tracking protection built in and plenty of extensions. Google is winning because it's bundling its browser just like Microsoft used to and is aggressively advertising it on all of its web properties, which might have a reach of close to 100% of the web-using population. Firefox also has a reputation for being slow, gotten probably from people do…
> Google is winning because it's bundling its browser just like Microsoft used to and is aggressively advertising it on all of its web properties, which might have a reach of close to 100% of the web-using population Not because Chrome is a better browser. All these sheep ( like me ) which get hoodwinked into using Chrome by Google's marketing blitzkrieg. Silly us. But wait, > Firefox also has a reputation for being…
Chrome being better or not is irrelevant as long as Firefox is good enough - and it is.
From my perspective there is something wrong with people using and supporting google: they gave up on their privacy and dignity.
If one has principles and cares for something they will fight for it. If not they give up and make sarcastic comments, so that they can at least feel better about themselves.
Don't make the mistake to think that I'm trying to convince you of something, use whatever browser you want.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#149Android is winning but the percentage that still use Apple is significant. Thank "the sheep" I guess... The winners mentioned are the ones that require the most resources, so I guess they'll keep being that even with Bing, etc I do use Firefox, sometimes it seems Chrome has more issues, sometimes it's FF, but I'd say they're pretty comparable (though FF has better dev tools builtin and it is easier to configure a pro…
Not offended, but I don't consider myself a sheep. While some see no difference between mega-corps, there are a few key things that I value Apple for over Google. 1. The seamlessness of the ecosystem. 2. The low rate at which products are introduced only to be unceremoniously knifed when you least expect it. 3. The fact that I'm the customer not the product. 4. The public stance they've taken on their customers' secu…
Yes, I like Apple products as well
My point is that while there are a lot of people that buy it for aesthetic reasons only, they do a lot of things right and a lot of tech savvy people use their products as well
(Hence the usage of "the sheep" was a jab at those who consider Apple customers sheep, it was not a critique of the users themselves)
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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And still, Linux outperformed most commercial competitors in the embedded and server spaces without being a single commercial entity. Apache was the most successful webserver for a long time, despite coming from a non-profit organisation, etc. I also believe that Firefox should look to exploit Google/Chrome's weaknesses more: Google relies fully on ad income. Firefox relies on sending users to someone's search engine…
Linux did not outperform anyone. Companies did. Companies used and abused linux in such a way that the other simply followed the trend. Mainly because of the costs. And btw this is what Facebook and Google will be doing to most of other competitors as well. This is pure / chinese style capitalism. We give you something good enough for free but forget about normal wealth distribution only a single entity / group of pe…
Linux did not outperform anyone. Companies did. Companies used and abused linux in such a way that the other simply followed the trend.
That's a unfair caricature of what really happened. There were competing systems with business-friendlier licenses. Obviously, Linux wouldn't be what it is without corporate contributions. But it also wouldn't be what it is without Linus' management and extreme pragmatism. That combined with the momentum introduced by the distribution ecosystem and advocacy that sprung up in the nineties.
Don't forget that by the time that IBM started pouring money into Linux (Peace, Love, Linux was in 2001 IIRC), Linux already had a large following among the tech crowd, which was stealthily replacing commercial UNIX installations with Linux.