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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by microtonal »

startling wrote: post #69
rvern wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you believe Chromium has better sandboxing than Firefox? That may have been true in the past, I doubt it has much truth to it today. Furthermore, if you use GNU/Linux it should be trivial to give your web browser better sandboxing than what it does by itself. (You can use AppArmor or SELinux, you can run it in a systemd-nspawn container, you can use Firejail…)

All of that is only marginally helpful without X sandboxing.

I agree, but the same applies to Chrome on X11.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by hackuser »

anilgulecha wrote: post #7

The only reason chromium is my primary browser is the developer tools (it's a pain to use Firefox for normal browsing, but Chromium for debugging.) I can only hope for chrome's devtools to be ported to firefox. (firebug is close but slow).

> firebug is close but slow

Hasn't Firebug been mostly replaced, long ago, by Firefox' built-in tools?

Press Ctl+Shift+i, or click Tools > Web Developer.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by wallace_f »

moxie wrote: post #40

What always strikes me about these pleas is how familiar they sound. They're reminiscent of all the things we "should" -- eat better, exercise more, lower our carbon footprint -- and I suspect they all see just about the same level of long term success. Firefox did well when their only real competitor (MS) was actively trying to make their own browser bad in order to preserve the relevance of the desktop OS and their…

>(MS) was actively trying to make their own browser bad

Is this conspiracy or fact?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by ffggvv »

Tharre wrote: post #63
rvern wrote: post #23

Chromium is free software too, but that does not justify any usage of Chrome. If you use Chrome, you can't justify it on Chromium being open source. As for Chromium itself, it is very obvious that it is not actually meant to be used by anyone: it has no stable releases, no binary downloads (except the nightlies published by the build system), and its website is hosted on nothing else than… Google Sites.

Chromium does have stable releases, they are the same as for chrome. And about every linux distribution out there ships chromium binaries, so what's your point?

His point is that nobady uses chromium, google never promotes it, and on windows you can't install a chromium binary. His point is that if chromium is that good why google is pushing chrome down peoples throat? (hint: its the ads-game).

The only reason chromium is "open-source" is that google attracts lots of talent, saying users have a choice between chromium and chrome, when in reality this isn't true.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by seanhunter »

aluhut wrote: post #45
Perceptes wrote: post #17

I generally agree with the sentiment here, but somewhat similar to using Linux over macOS, my experience has been that it's just a worse user experience in exchange for "doing the right thing." In the end, it's about how much you're willing to sacrifice convenience and user experience for an ethical ideal. For me, the last time I attempted to switch from Chrome to Firefox, it drove me nuts after a few days because of…

If this is your only or main issue with FF, it can't be that bad. I tried Chrome from time to time and the endless processes eating up an immense sum of RAM (I had to add together first to realize) as well as the missing addons drove me away. I never considered myself a participant in the ideological browser war and whenever I have to fix a computer somewhere around my friends and family (besides my parents) I left C…

It might be that the processes are genuinely eating your RAM, but on most unix-like OSs, RAM usage doesn't work quite the way people expect and it may be you're misunderstanding. Many pages of forked or threaded processes can be copy-on-write, so it actually costs the OS nothing to have multiple processes sharing them. They only actually become separate pages when the process actually writes to them.

What this means is that you can't get a true picture of the ram usage just by adding as you will in fact be double-counting any read-only pages that are shared using COW.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by sosborn »

reitanqild wrote: post #54
the_duke wrote: post #48

I never understood why Mozilla has allowed their main product and their only money maker to fall so far behind. They have a lot of income. I don't mind them going of on various edgy projects. But FF has been inferior to Chrome for many years. They should really refocus their efforts to concentrate on delivering the best browser again, as it was before Chrome came along.

> But FF has been inferior to Chrome for many years. Can we please stop fueling this myth? Maybe for some of you Firefox lacks something you actually need . For others, like me and a bunch of others it is completely the other way, -if I was forced to use any other browser it would annoy me to no end (not tree tabs, etc etc). So while I think it is totally fine to point out where other does better, telling everyone th…

It is almost as though different people has tastes that stray from yours.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by the_duke »

reitanqild wrote: post #54
the_duke wrote: post #48

I never understood why Mozilla has allowed their main product and their only money maker to fall so far behind. They have a lot of income. I don't mind them going of on various edgy projects. But FF has been inferior to Chrome for many years. They should really refocus their efforts to concentrate on delivering the best browser again, as it was before Chrome came along.

> But FF has been inferior to Chrome for many years. Can we please stop fueling this myth? Maybe for some of you Firefox lacks something you actually need . For others, like me and a bunch of others it is completely the other way, -if I was forced to use any other browser it would annoy me to no end (not tree tabs, etc etc). So while I think it is totally fine to point out where other does better, telling everyone th…

It's not a myth.

FF was my main browser, and would be to this date if it provided the best experience.

Chrome is faster, snappier, more fluid. Faster time to render, fastes JS engine.

There's a reason most of the geeks switched to Chrome on their own, before Google began it's aggressive approach of converting everyone to it with ads and bundling.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by barnacs »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52
aluhut wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is your only or main issue with FF, it can't be that bad. I tried Chrome from time to time and the endless processes eating up an immense sum of RAM (I had to add together first to realize) as well as the missing addons drove me away. I never considered myself a participant in the ideological browser war and whenever I have to fix a computer somewhere around my friends and family (besides my parents) I left C…

I've never experienced ram issues with chrome. Is it a tangible problem that noticeably hurts experience or do you kind of have to be looking at the RAM stats to perceive that there's a problem? I wonder if I'm missing something or am just not the exceptional case where chromes use of memory matters.

I too switched from chromium to firefox a few years ago when my system ran out of its 8GB RAM regularly.

Chromium was using about 7.5GB, it was quite noticable. I then reopened the exact same tabs in firefox, made sure they are all loaded to make a fair comparison and it came out to less than 1.5GB RAM usage. I've been a happy firefox user since then and never looked back.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by robbrown451 »

I will switch back when it has what I need. Currently my biggest need that Firefox doesn't support is MIDI access (i.e. hook a digital "piano" to it and Javascript in a page can talk to it). It's been in development for who knows how long in Firefox, I'm not holding my breath.
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