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Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by scribu »

macns wrote: post #22

Elon Musk when asked what he things about a specific BMW concept car (hubrid or full electric I can't really remember), said that it was a step towards the right direction. So I guess this too is a step closer to a cleaner earth. What bugs me though is the mentality of some big automakers or even nations, they seem to be making steps to compete with tesla to put it in a polite way. They're missing the whole point of…

What exactly is "the whole point of going electric" that even Tesla is missing?

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by dharma1 »

0xFFC wrote: post #27
Maarten88 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. I think an underestimated advantage Tesla has over the traditional car makers is their software process. Tesla just released version 8, and rolled it out to all their customers. Traditional manufacturers must recall cars to fix a software problem, and charge customers for software upgrades. I guess it's hard for traditional car manufacturers to offer an integrated experience like that, you need to design a car…

I anticipate (and hope) Google and other software vendor can step in and fill this void. By the time other car makers going to release any serious competitor to Tesla , Tesla's software will be far advanced than those companies, and the thing about software is its design and implementation takes professional teams with a lot of experience. No matter how effective and advanced your team is, you need time to create a p…

I expect iOS/Android for cars will handle the infotainment part of car software, but not the rest.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by dharma1 »

fitzwatermellow wrote: post #33

Article is indicative of the constant refrain in the business press for a $TSLA short narrative: The 4 Horsemen Of A Teslapocalypse http://seekingalpha.com/article/4007849-4-horsemen-teslapoca...

It's all about timing, though.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/09/22/teslas-short-selle...

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by nervousvarun »

zyx321 wrote: post #30
0xFFC wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see what you are saying and I partially agree with it. But the point is Audi,BMW,etc they are not first year art student. They have billion dollar R&D budget. Update: And keep in mind Tesla is not product of yesterday. Vibe for electronic car was around I think much longer than Tesla.But big names (Audi,BMW,etc) just ignored it for so long (maybe because of no serious competitor or corruptness -why do they need to…

And they evidently are working on it. But to say "release it now, don't make me wait 5 years" is beyond ignorant.

True but I think his point was "it's not my problem that you didn't start your R&D in a timely manner...say 5 years ago".

Anyways that's what I read into it.

As consumers we assume hugely successful historical automotive powerhouses like BMW would have something ready to go NOW because they've been working on it already for 5 years (or ten years+ considering Prius).

Maybe not always fair, but it's generally what people are going to assume.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by lucideer »

scribu wrote: post #31
macns wrote: post #22

Elon Musk when asked what he things about a specific BMW concept car (hubrid or full electric I can't really remember), said that it was a step towards the right direction. So I guess this too is a step closer to a cleaner earth. What bugs me though is the mentality of some big automakers or even nations, they seem to be making steps to compete with tesla to put it in a polite way. They're missing the whole point of…

What exactly is "the whole point of going electric" that even Tesla is missing?

He didn't say Tesla is missing the point, he said they are at least getting the point in marketing terms.

That is, that the switch away from fossil fuels is bigger than stories about petty details of industry competition, it's about the environment, and about orchestrating a radical shift in driving culture in general.

Musk markets Tesla as changing the world, while their competitors market themselves as... competitors. The scope is much less ambitious.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by fma »

valuegram wrote: post #26
Maarten88 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. I think an underestimated advantage Tesla has over the traditional car makers is their software process. Tesla just released version 8, and rolled it out to all their customers. Traditional manufacturers must recall cars to fix a software problem, and charge customers for software upgrades. I guess it's hard for traditional car manufacturers to offer an integrated experience like that, you need to design a car…

True. I have a Chevy volt, which I love. The check engine light came on while under powertrain warranty. It took them 5 days to upgrade the software to fix the problem, and they charged me for it since "software isn't part of the drivetrain."

GM is a very early adopter of the connect car, with their On Stsr technology. Your Chevy Volt should have it and if it's a newer model probably LTE. I would guess that there's some contractual or legal obligation that says GM cannot do work on your car. The dealers must do the work, and then get reimbursed by GM.

There's antiquated laws hat dictate manufacturer and dealer relationship, the most famous one being a manufacturer must sell cars through a dealer.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by ecopoesis »

Swizec wrote: post #15
dabeeeenster wrote: post #9

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Completely agree (I'm also European). When Porsche unveiled the Mission E, they made spec comparisons to the Tesla Model S. But the Mission E is a concept, slated for 2020! VW/Audi, Porsche, BMW and Mercedes need to take a long hard look at themselves. The market is changing way faster than they expected IMO. Just sell a bloody 250 mile range car I can buy for £25k. That's it. It's not hard. Do it, now. Not in 3 year…

If it's not hard then why is nobody doing it? Tesla's Model 3 costs £27k, has a range of 215 miles, and is promised to start delivering late next year. That's the state of the art. Best the world can do. Pretty sure that means it's hard.

No, that's a promise from a company that routinely misses ship dates.

State of the art is probably the Chevy Bolt, with its 200+ mile range and cost around $40k. And unlike the Tesla Model 3, it exists. There are lots of reviews of it, and full production starts next week.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by Brakenshire »

denzil_correa wrote: post #25
raphaelj wrote: post #8

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Audi, BMW, Volkswagen and Peugeot all sell electric or hybrid-electric cars.

How do these electric cars compare against Tesla?

The i3 appears to be a really well designed car. It costs about $7000 more than the model 3, but it already exists. And they've just increased the battery capacity 50%, so the nominal range is 200 miles, or 275 with the range extender. I just read BMW think they can double that by 2020. Tesla certainly has at least some competition.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by mistermann »

Maarten88 wrote: post #16
barpet wrote: post #2

I am a european and getting pissed off by these cocky austrians and germans. They are so full of themselves and keep trash talking about Tesla for so long. Yet they cannot deliver. Tesla does. Period. Also it's not only about technical superiority but experience as well. Tesla excels here.

Agree. I think an underestimated advantage Tesla has over the traditional car makers is their software process. Tesla just released version 8, and rolled it out to all their customers. Traditional manufacturers must recall cars to fix a software problem, and charge customers for software upgrades. I guess it's hard for traditional car manufacturers to offer an integrated experience like that, you need to design a car…

Does every car have an LTE connection? Do you have to buy a sim from your local provider or how does that work?
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