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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by autotune »

robryan wrote: post #338
autotune wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

400K per employee at a 32.7 billion dollar company is a vastly different ratio compared to spending ~250K per employee at a start-up with limited funds.

Both are competing for the same talent. Also in the Let's Encypt case there are no stock options to make up the difference with the big tech companies.

Yes but different people have different tastes, and some may prefer a greater and steady base pay over a potential payout at the end that you have to have enough money to pay the tax on beforehand, or when cashed out. Anyway financial prospects aside, some may also prefer the flexibility of making an impact at a smaller company vs working for a bigger one. Same talent, different preferences.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by eropple »

red_blobs wrote: post #379
eropple wrote: post #150

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I strongly disagree. What the worker needs to make to have a puncher's chance at a life is not related to the amount paid in taxes.

Yes it does. As a business owner, more taxes means less money for employees (and less employees hired). People that don't understand taxes never consider this and immediately think employers are just greedy. Inflation is also never considered, which is exactly why we have to keep raising minimum wage in the first place. Minimum wage increase will not help anyone in the long-run. It will only inflate the cost of goods…

Let's be really real for a sec: minimum wage does not, in any meaningful way, drive demand-pull inflation. Minimum wage doesn't even track the rate of inflation. This is macro-averse horsepuckey.

This position of abolition of minimum wage is not seriously held by any macroeconomic experts except on the extreme far right. There is a reason that wage floors, in lieu of GMI, are accepted by even centrists: because the alternatives are literally unconscionable.

Further: capital is greedy. It's functionally unable to be anything else. Throwing labor a bone once in a while is not, desperate hair-shirting aside, going to somehow kill it and destroy the jobs, homgz.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by eropple »

sidlls wrote: post #377
eropple wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's saying anything about typical ? I've never been a typical employee in my life. I have, however, been the highest-paid non-manager (or so I was told; this might have been an attempt to shame me into working more for free) in a hundred-person development group, well out of band, because I brought capabilities and skills to the table that they needed more than they needed to Maintain The Integrity Of The Salary Ba…

So if your point wasn't that employers routinely deviate from their prescribed bands ("as a rule") why did you respond to my comment? What I see is an anonymous Internet Person bragging without context (for all I know your non-typical experience could have been with 99 developers who were seriously below average).

They won't routinely deviate from prescribed bands for your typical engineer. There are many, many engineers who are atypical, whether because of skill set or skill level; before I went into consulting I was able to command top-of-market salaries because I am pretty good--not the best, but pretty good--and actively went into areas of technology that others didn't. I was then able to communicate to potential employers why this mattered and how I would be able to help them, because I have enough of a business background to be able to make the case for myself. And while whatever "talent" is involved may be innate--I don't think it is, but whatever--the rest is eminently learnable.

And calling me "anonymous" is kind of funny.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by wpietri »

sidlls wrote: post #377
eropple wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's saying anything about typical ? I've never been a typical employee in my life. I have, however, been the highest-paid non-manager (or so I was told; this might have been an attempt to shame me into working more for free) in a hundred-person development group, well out of band, because I brought capabilities and skills to the table that they needed more than they needed to Maintain The Integrity Of The Salary Ba…

So if your point wasn't that employers routinely deviate from their prescribed bands ("as a rule") why did you respond to my comment? What I see is an anonymous Internet Person bragging without context (for all I know your non-typical experience could have been with 99 developers who were seriously below average).

If you see him as anonymous, you are definitely not trying very hard. Or at all.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by wpietri »

sidlls wrote: post #373
wpietri wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to apply to the majority of employment negotiation scenarios. It just has to apply to enough of a particular class of worker to set the market price. I would also suggest your understanding of how often exceptions are made is very unlikely to be based on good data. Employers have ways of hiding that they are paying somebody more than their traditional salary structure when they need to make an excepti…

Yes, and the same reasoning would apply to folks suggesting that employers routinely are open to negotiation. On the other hand we have a plethora of anecdotal data (e.g. through Glassdoor and other self reporting places) and BLS salary data by region and classification ( https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcma.htm ). The means and medians in these data are quite close. It'd be nice to see upper and lower extremes,…

> Yes, and the same reasoning would apply to folks suggesting that employers routinely are open to negotiation.

No, it wouldn't, because employers have a strong incentive to hide salary band violations, while employees have a strong incentive to discover when negotiations are possible.

> it strikes me as an extraordinary to claim successfully negotiating higher-than-average wages is typical.

Then you should probably go talk to somebody who made that claim. But it's a nonsensical claim, so my guess is not many would be making it.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by eropple »

wpietri wrote: post #384
sidlls wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if your point wasn't that employers routinely deviate from their prescribed bands ("as a rule") why did you respond to my comment? What I see is an anonymous Internet Person bragging without context (for all I know your non-typical experience could have been with 99 developers who were seriously below average).

If you see him as anonymous, you are definitely not trying very hard. Or at all.

I'll be seeing you at the next Anonymous Anonymous meeting, right, Anonymous?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by pc86 »

mrb wrote: post #119

To Let's Encrypt: if you guys took bitcoins as donation I would give $10 in an instant. The friction of filling out this long Paypal form is just too high for $10... http://i.imgur.com/oZZWeuG.png (And, no, I don't have a Paypal account.) Make it easy to give, and you will receive more donations! Edit: I am not the only one who wants to donate BTC! Bitcoin was the number one request asked last year: https://twitter.c…

> The friction of filling out this long Paypal form is just too high for $10

You have got to be kidding me.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by pc86 »

teach wrote: post #193
mrb wrote: post #119

To Let's Encrypt: if you guys took bitcoins as donation I would give $10 in an instant. The friction of filling out this long Paypal form is just too high for $10... http://i.imgur.com/oZZWeuG.png (And, no, I don't have a Paypal account.) Make it easy to give, and you will receive more donations! Edit: I am not the only one who wants to donate BTC! Bitcoin was the number one request asked last year: https://twitter.c…

I'm in the same boat, though in my case I'd prefer Stripe for card processing rather than Paypal. Stripe already has my card on file from other sellers, and I trust them where I don't especially trust Paypal.

Why would you have any less reason to trust PayPal to process a credit card than Stripe or anyone else?
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