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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by mattmaroon »

wyager wrote: post #194
mattmaroon wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$200k, including benefits, employment taxes, etc. is probably more like $150k in salary. It's not at all egregious for good programmers. I've had employees make near that in Ohio and have friends in the field who make considerably more. Also it's a budget, so I suspect it's intentionally padded to a small degree. While prices haven't converged on SV everywhere, it does have a ripple effect.

You're overestimating their final salary. Per-employee expenses are usually almost the salary all over again. Payroll taxes are a real bitch. It's probably closer to $110-$120k salary per employee.

No. I've employed people in California. You don't pay 70% extra. It's more like the 25-30 range.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by bbcbasic »

jedberg wrote: post #130
zeveb wrote: post #116

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I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

As covered elsewhere, most of the team is remote. But they still get SV salaries because great people get those salaries no matter where they are.

"Silicon Valley" is the red herring then. World class people get world class compensation because they are damn good.

I propose that not so good techies may get more in SV but paid averagely elsewhere?

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Post by bbcbasic »

Twirrim wrote: post #240
benedikt wrote: post #201

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Also there are other countries than the US

There are not insignificant complexities involved in hiring people multinationally.

Is there a business op in this? Just a simple umbrella company in the US that supplies talent from around the world?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by cptskippy »

My multi-domain (3) cert just came up for renewal at $28.99 a year, instead I setup Let's Encrypt on 8 domains for free. I think I'll just setup a recurring donation to Let's Encrypt simply because I'll never have to do the SSL Cert song and dance ever again.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by pw »

So programmers mad that other programmers are making good money (although, taking into account overhead, salaries are rather normal). This is why we can't have nice things people.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by pw »

bbcbasic wrote: post #282
jedberg wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As covered elsewhere, most of the team is remote. But they still get SV salaries because great people get those salaries no matter where they are.

"Silicon Valley" is the red herring then. World class people get world class compensation because they are damn good. I propose that not so good techies may get more in SV but paid averagely elsewhere?

Regular people get world class compensation (which this is not) because they ask for it.

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Post by jcsvyu789jh »

Matthias247 wrote: post #155
Spooky23 wrote: post #108

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Complaining about that is insane. To put it in perspective, almost any Fortune 500 is paying $200k for a contract Level-2 helpdesk analyst.

Short term contracts might be different, but 95% of normal software engineers in germany will e.g. never reach 100k. Including those in the large corporations. I think 200k might be barely in reach for a senior manager. In other countries/regions this will even be far lower.

This might be part of the advantage America has over some European countries when it comes to elite talent.
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