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Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by runjake »

lisper wrote: post #73
mikeash wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are now, but they were aligned with the Soviets until there stopped being Soviets. Naturally they sought out a new patron after that.

Not quite. The SU started rolling back its support for NK in 1985, four years before the SU fell. In fact, it seems probable to me that NK didn't fall along with the rest of the SU precisely because of this. But the point I was really trying to make is that calling NK anyone's puppet is not really accurate, and arguably never was. They are certainly dependent on China nowadays, but it is far from clear who is pulling…

China is effectively NK's designated driver, at this point.

China's interests are preventing NK from getting too far out of hand and China ends up flooded with millions of NK refugees.

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by wongarsu »

stereo wrote: post #72
wongarsu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6) We respect the sovereignty of nations and don't randomly invade countries that are no threat to us Also, 4 is a really big point. Unless you annex NK and make it a colony, almost all precedent tells us that your plan would end in decades of civil war and a lot of suffering (or an equally brutal "democratic" regime).

Germany, 1946?

Indeed a success story, but under much better circumstances. People were subjected to Hitler's propaganda for only 12 years. Loosing two major wars in just three decades, having most cities bombed to the ground and a leader who committed suicide on defeat all didn't inspire much hope for rebellion. On top of that "behaving well" held the promise of quickly rising back to the top at least economically, and within four years the world spoke of the German Wirtschaftswunder. On top of that the country had 15 years of experience with a real democracy just prior to Hitler's regime.

Your conditions for establishing a new, stable democracy don't get much better than that.

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by eternalban »

lisper wrote: post #80
eternalban wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just asking to nail down definition of "puppet": is SK a US puppet?

A puppet state is one that is set up to look like an independent state but is in fact entirely de facto controlled by (i.e. cannot do anything without the approval of) another state. Iran between 1953 and 1979 was a U.S. puppet. Syria seems to be on the road to becoming a Russian puppet. SK is not a US puppet, and NK is not really a Chinese puppet either (that's what I meant by the "Chucky" comment). It has generally…

> Iran between 1953 and 1979 was a U.S. puppet.

Are you repeating n-th hand propaganda? I kind of don't blame you since Google refuses to dig up the story of "Soviet-Iranian Agreement of Cooperation" of 1966. This agreement was reached because the West refused to support Iran's industrialization program under the Shah, so the "puppet" went ahead and reached an agreement with USSR.

Intelligence Memorandum, CIA, June 1967: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000381440....

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by lisper »

eternalban wrote: post #83
lisper wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A puppet state is one that is set up to look like an independent state but is in fact entirely de facto controlled by (i.e. cannot do anything without the approval of) another state. Iran between 1953 and 1979 was a U.S. puppet. Syria seems to be on the road to becoming a Russian puppet. SK is not a US puppet, and NK is not really a Chinese puppet either (that's what I meant by the "Chucky" comment). It has generally…

> Iran between 1953 and 1979 was a U.S. puppet. Are you repeating n-th hand propaganda? I kind of don't blame you since Google refuses to dig up the story of "Soviet-Iranian Agreement of Cooperation" of 1966. This agreement was reached because the West refused to support Iran's industrialization program under the Shah, so the "puppet" went ahead and reached an agreement with USSR. Intelligence Memorandum, CIA, June 1…

> Are you repeating n-th hand propaganda?

Quite possible. The document you cite was news to me. Maybe there has never been an actual U.S. puppet state, I don't know.

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Post by mikeash »

lisper wrote: post #84
eternalban wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran between 1953 and 1979 was a U.S. puppet. Are you repeating n-th hand propaganda? I kind of don't blame you since Google refuses to dig up the story of "Soviet-Iranian Agreement of Cooperation" of 1966. This agreement was reached because the West refused to support Iran's industrialization program under the Shah, so the "puppet" went ahead and reached an agreement with USSR. Intelligence Memorandum, CIA, June 1…

> Are you repeating n-th hand propaganda? Quite possible. The document you cite was news to me. Maybe there has never been an actual U.S. puppet state, I don't know.

Wikipedia lists the Republic of Texas as one, and South Vietnam as a potential one. Assassinating an uncooperative leader while a bunch of American soldiers were in the country certainly seems like the sort of thing that would happen in a puppet state, anyway.

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by Floegipoky »

lisper wrote: post #80
eternalban wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just asking to nail down definition of "puppet": is SK a US puppet?

A puppet state is one that is set up to look like an independent state but is in fact entirely de facto controlled by (i.e. cannot do anything without the approval of) another state. Iran between 1953 and 1979 was a U.S. puppet. Syria seems to be on the road to becoming a Russian puppet. SK is not a US puppet, and NK is not really a Chinese puppet either (that's what I meant by the "Chucky" comment). It has generally…

I think the argument could be made that the Philippines were a US puppet state at certain points in their history

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by ipp »

k__ wrote: post #16
aerovistae wrote: post #14

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And/or what can be learned from the leaked data?

What websites they have? airkoryo.com.kp. cooks.org.kp. // receips are important friend.com.kp. // facebook clone? :D gnu.rep.kp. // yay at least their software is free kass.org.kp. kcna.kp. kiyctc.com.kp. knic.com.kp. koredufund.org.kp. korelcfund.org.kp. korfilm.com.kp. // movie4k clone at least there it is legal, lol ma.gov.kp. masikryong.com.kp. naenara.com.kp. nta.gov.kp. portal.net.kp. // yahoo clone ;) rcc.net…

> friend.com.kp. // facebook clone? :D

It's apparently "The website of the Committee for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries".[0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.kp#Usage

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by bjornsteffanson »

axyjo wrote: post #2

gnu.rep.kp. That's pretty interesting. I wonder what they've got on that.

GNU actually refers to 'grand national unity' in this context, one of the three fundamentals for Korean unification outlined in the 1972 North-South Joint Declaration (the other two being peace and independence).

Based on the screenshots, gnu.rep.kp appears to be a website for the Pyongyang Broadcasting Station.

Re: Snapshot of North Korea’s DNS data taken from zone transfers

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Post by feralmoan »

misterbwong wrote: post #79

Side note: I'd really like to visit this NK ski resort. It'd be amazing to snowboard on what looks like completely empty snow. http://masikryong.com.kp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masikryong_Ski_Resort

Wow, timing out. It's already fallen over from referral traffic :D I hope no-one gets shot over this
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