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Interesting side note: The words "Awkward" and "Creepy" don't exist in German and there are no direct or inderect equivalents. It goes so far that it is culturally impossible to have creepy or awkward behaviour.
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Honest question: did you actually read past the first two paragraphs? I am astonished that any educated person could lend any support whatsoever to an article that uses terms like "genetic superiors." The premise is that only beautiful people are human beings .
Not are. Are perceived as such by the surveyed set of women. Specifically, an ugly solicitor elicits a reaction comparable to a zombie in some women. This is generally a subconscious reaction belying sexual selection. Extreme but it happens. Less extreme version is tied to disgust feeling. The root is probably the same: detecting contagious people and animals.
Interesting side note: The words "Awkward" and "Creepy" don't exist in German and there are no direct or inderect equivalents. It goes so far that it is culturally impossible to have creepy or awkward behaviour.
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Lots of Indian dudes are great guys. Most, even. Smart, funny, sociable, kind, handsome, eyes to kill for, the works.
But just as with every group, some aren't. Some are creeps. Usually creeps have no idea that they're creeps, don't understand why they're creeps, and get mad when people call them creeps. So why are Indian dudes so often creeps? Well, for the same reasons any guy is a creep, with a few cultural factors thrown in. I'll try to explain why in a way that encompasses creepdom as a whole, and which I think might be comprehensible to creeps. Now, if I could establish an informal Creepiness Quotient to describe the feeling someone gives you in the first few seconds they're hitting on you, I would do it as follows.
Creepiness = ( (Awkwardness x Forwardness) / (Attractiveness) ) ^ Persistence
Now, let's look at the factors here, with "you" being a nonspecific potential creep who is hitting on "me," a nonspecific person of sexual interest:
Awkwardness is the extent to which you demonstrate your inability to operate effectively in my chosen social environment. A person who cannot initiate or maintain a comfortable conversation with me is an unappealing choice of partner. Immigrants often score highly on Awkwardness, which is natural--they're working in an unfamiliar social environment. I think that's unfortunate, because usually it's not at all their fault.
Forwardness is the extent to which you convey that your goal is purely to use me as a sex-thing. If I think you like me because I'm interesting, this is noncreepy and good. If I think you like me because my part fits your part, that is creepy and bad. Men from some cultures tend to be more forward than men from others, depending on the appropriate gender roles in their societies. In my own personal experience, Indians are high on the Forwardness list. I'm not remotely qualified to offer a guess as to why, beyond "lol culture" which is not explanatory of anything.
Attractiveness is a saving grace! Maybe you're hot, maybe you've got a great voice, maybe you've got nice arms, maybe you told a great joke, maybe I like your clothes, maybe you belong to the same subculture I do. Maybe you aren't an obese scuzzlord with halitosis who smells like BO and salmonella. Rules #1 and #2 aren't all there is, but they definitely help. I don't think your ethnicity makes you more or less likely to be attractive as a rule, though some individual people have some degree of preference.
Persistence is bad news. Persistence is when you don't take "no" for an answer. Persistence is when you apply pressure, is when you get aggressive or defensive, and is when you demand explanations for why I won't date you. At high levels, persistence is when you start to give off rape vibes. Persistence is what you get when someone believes they are entitled to sex with me or entitled to a relationship with me, and my opinion on the matter is an inconvenience. Persistence is a creepiness multiplier. An awkward, unattractive dude who says "ey, you got nice tits, I got a nice dick, so, wanna fuck" then leaves when I say no? He's creepy, yes. A dude who is otherwise normal but who won't leave me alone? Way creepier. In my experience, this is where so many Indian guys lose it: the entitlement/persistence factor. Begin with traditional gender roles, teach them to a child of a rich businessman in a society with sharply defined social classes, who has always gotten everything he wants, and who is somewhat inclined to see people 'below' him as less deserving of consideration. Then turn that child into a STEMlord engineering student who has had minimal successful contact with actual human beings. That's a recipe for a guy who thinks he deserves women but doesn't have any idea about how to 'get' them. So he gets persistent, because hey, that's how you succeed at anything, right, you just find what you want and take it? And now he's creepy as fuck.
This whole thing is of course not limited to Indian dudes. Any guy can be a creeper, for similar reasons as above. But if you're asking why so many Indian students in Western universities are creepers, well, that's why: unfamiliarity with their new nation's social norms and gender roles (Awkwardness and Forwardness) combined with a disturbing sense of entitlement and an inability to handle disappointment (Persistence) means high creepiness. EDIT: Women can be creeps too, of course. In the above, I assume the creep is a man, partially for ease of pronoun use, and partially as an reflection of the relatively higher incidence of male creeps.
- https://www.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/21gf9b/i_get_mo...
Just take comfort in knowing that female attractiveness usually drops off a cliff far earlier than male attractiveness does. The same girl writing that essay will one day be 40+ and begging for any of those "genetic superiors" to give her five seconds, while the same male "uggo" with a stable income and decent hygiene will be able to take his pick of a bunch of nicer women who didn't view the whole of humanity throug…
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I think you're being a bit sensitive. It's a writing style meant to provoke.
Denying essential humanity to anyone is always and everywhere unacceptable. "Unattractive men are animals, not human beings" isn't provocative, it's totally beyond the pale. If the essay called an ethnic or religious group animals, would you still link to it and characterize it as "interesting" and "provocative?"
Just because you feel bad about something it doesn't mean it's false.
Interesting side note: The words "Awkward" and "Creepy" don't exist in German and there are no direct or inderect equivalents. It goes so far that it is culturally impossible to have creepy or awkward behaviour.
Near the beginning of the article it mentions the german word "unheimlichkeit" to mean creepy or uncanny. Is that not a word you are familiar with, or not the meaning you associate with it? There is are a lot of other German touch points in the article as well.
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I think you're being a bit sensitive. It's a writing style meant to provoke.
Well if saying anything you like as long as it is meant to provoke [a response] is acceptable, then let's have a few articles about why antisemitism is cool and how black people have low IQs. Or are those subjects that have been covered and people have been both prosecuted over and been fired from their jobs for? Being provocative at least requires starting with an argument that can be defended.
Interesting side note: The words "Awkward" and "Creepy" don't exist in German and there are no direct or inderect equivalents. It goes so far that it is culturally impossible to have creepy or awkward behaviour.
"creepy" has been adopted into younger people's language. And while there may be no direct translation that has all connotations of the words, I believe the concepts expressed with other words are basically the same. Do you have an article/other reference discussing the differences?
Interesting side note: The words "Awkward" and "Creepy" don't exist in German and there are no direct or inderect equivalents. It goes so far that it is culturally impossible to have creepy or awkward behaviour.
Awkward ~= Komisch/Unbeholfen
And the concepts totally do translate to German. A lot of people would describe a "creepy guy" as "gruselig" in German. Actually we've imported the word "Freak" to describe these people.
As an aside: there was a German copy of the "Beauty and the Geek" show that was far more dehumanising and called "Das Model und der Freak" where the entire concept was that "pretty" c-list celebrity women would give a "nerdy loser" a makeover to turn him into a generic alpha male womanisers.
The entire concept was "here's this loser weirdo no girl would ever date, let's make him conventionally attractive and exterminate his pre-existing personality in its entirety". The sole point of the show was ridiculing these "weirdos" and their strange hobbies -- of course the exploitable traits were exaggerated through bad scripting and heavy editing.
A pet peeve of mine is that until recently the words "geek" and "nerd" have often been replaced by "Freak" as movies are translated to German, drastically skewing the intended meaning ("Freak" is almost always an insult). Recently "Geek" and "Nerd" seem to have entered the German language (especially the former, mostly via gaming and social media) so hopefully that's coming to an end.