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A Theory of Creepiness

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Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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> a peculiar smile; having greasy or unkempt hair, bulging eyes, abnormally long fingers, very pale skin or bags under the eyes.

Did Steve Buscemi help define creepiness for the polled group, or did he hit a genetic jackpot of pre-existing ideas of creepiness? (Or both?)

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Buscemi

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

That's an over the top rant, but as a woman I agree with her basic premise: the "women are less visual" thing is a total lie and tied neatly into the "women desire sex less than men" lie.

Looks are important to many women just as they are important to many men. There's nothing to be ashamed of and there is no point in denying human sexuality.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

I know this was a hyperbolic rant, but it's deplorable how this author literally dehumanizes men. The essay may be interesting, but it's mostly just monstrous.

I think you're being a bit sensitive. It's a writing style meant to provoke.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

That's an over the top rant, but as a woman I agree with her basic premise: the "women are less visual" thing is a total lie and tied neatly into the "women desire sex less than men" lie. Looks are important to many women just as they are important to many men. There's nothing to be ashamed of and there is no point in denying human sexuality.

Honest question: did you actually read past the first two paragraphs?

I am astonished that any educated person could lend any support whatsoever to an article that uses terms like "genetic superiors." The premise is that only beautiful people are human beings.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

That woman is in for a world of hurt when she hits 30 and has to live out the rest of her days as a "subhuman uggo".

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

That article sounds like it was written by a man. Not saying it's not accurate. But I've never heard any of the women I know frame things that way, even if they might agree with the ideas if presented with them.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this was a hyperbolic rant, but it's deplorable how this author literally dehumanizes men. The essay may be interesting, but it's mostly just monstrous.

I think you're being a bit sensitive. It's a writing style meant to provoke.

Denying essential humanity to anyone is always and everywhere unacceptable. "Unattractive men are animals, not human beings" isn't provocative, it's totally beyond the pale.

If the essay called an ethnic or religious group animals, would you still link to it and characterize it as "interesting" and "provocative?"

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Just take comfort in knowing that female attractiveness usually drops off a cliff far earlier than male attractiveness does. The same girl writing that essay will one day be 40+ and begging for any of those "genetic superiors" to give her five seconds, while the same male "uggo" with a stable income and decent hygiene will be able to take his pick of a bunch of nicer women who didn't view the whole of humanity through the lens of the beautiful people master race.

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

Hah, what an awful person.

I suppose if you were willing to sleep with any "attractive" person that approached you there'd be no fear of rape, and so no threat or resulting "creepiness." Less shallow people, then, would either find "attractive" people more creepy and/or "unattractive" people less creepy.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I've developed my own thoughts about creepiness, since coming across as creepy is one of my biggest fears.

1) The theory of mirror neurons. This theory states that if you are nervous, the other person will pick up on it subconsciously. As the article states, false confidence, even if you try your best to hide it, will come across as a barely disguised nervousness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

One of the things that I've observed while watching some pick-up artists practice is that those who eventually become "successful" are basically asking nothing of those who approach. They don't fear rejection. In fact, they can be quite entertaining and good listeners. However, for most of these individuals, they probably had to go through a lot of rejections to get to the point where they didn't honestly care what the reaction was.

2) The hover zone/kill zone

Commonly used in pick-up artist terminology. This is easily described as wanting to talk to a specific individual, even approaching within several feet, yet not doing it. I know we've all done this, at some point, at a bar or even at a friend's party. You know the person knows that you are interested in them.

3) Reciprocity

In one of Pedro Almodovar's movies, in the director's commentary on the DVD, there is a man in a woman's apartment who is looking through his host's stuff. The director makes a statement along the lines that "liking without reciprocity" makes it stalking (or worse).

In the very rare times, where a woman who has explicitly hit on me, asking lots of questions, showing interest that is out of norm with the pace of conversation (e.g. we just met), I can attest that it feels creepy as in (What have I done to make you so interested?). In more common circumstances, I recall people who are seemingly interested in you but quickly steer the conversation to something like network marketing.

Given these factors, what can be done to not come across as creepy?

First, don't hover. Talk to someone right away, even if it just a quick introduction.

Second, being quiet can actively work against you in most social situations. Especially when you are meeting new people. To this day, I can be enjoying a party by meeting new people in a group and listening to their stories and (usually) extroverts will ask if "are you having a good time?". Even if I am, it doesn't outwardly show, at least in the manner they'd expect.

Third, the answer may lie in being mindful of reciprocity. For example, talking to a cute individual, what is it about him/her/they that you find interesting (that is not related to something she cannot easily change, like her looks).

When I've talked to my good looking friend girls, they basically say they have to ignore all the attention/cat calls when they walk down the street.

Fourth, to escape the friend zone, you have to make it explicitly clear that you are interested in someone romantically and tell them why. Asking someone out to coffee to talk about their job v. asking someone out to a picnic because you like them.

One last side note - if you walk into a party with a couple good looking friends (male or female), people will automatically ascribe a higher status to you, whether you care to agree with the theory and practice of social proof or not.

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