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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Thats not true. The reddit thread explicitly states what he wants to do is legally and ethically problematic. And it spells out why. "That is why the functionality doesn exist in exhcange" was the sort of end result of the larger logic here.

Yes the thread says that, but they are wrong. No lawyer in the world thinks that Microsoft Exchange is some sort of legal chain of custody or inviolable vault of perfect information. The reason Exchange does not have the functionality to redact email address is that people who need to redact information usually prefer to do it by hand, so it would be a waste of Microsoft's time to build a utility to do it. But to thi…

Notwithstanding your good points about it not being fool-proof, it is an important point that your email software doesn't essentially promote or enable corruption of the meta data in the way you describe.

As a business person, nobody would [buy/use] exchange if it was not reasonably secure from an audit trail perspective. The intergrity of the communications is required for many business's who have record retention policy and what not.

Think about an analogy for a bank's accounting system that allowed audit trails to be compromised. Its a huge problem for the purchasing people and the managerial layer that has to sign off on sarbox etc.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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This is not a relevant analogy because it's not under dispute that Clinton used her email address for personal conversations, and there is nothing in the Reddit post or the Hill news story that indicates whether we're talking about personal or official business emails. If your employer tried to force Gmail to turn over to them all your emails with your spouse and friends, no matter the subject or content, you and Goo…

> They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years. No, they have the emails she claims are official. Big difference. And she has zero credibility here. Negative credibility even, if she claims they have all the official emails you can be 100% sure they do not.

And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them.

That would help the Republicans gain back some credibility if they did. Right now everyone considers this a colossal waste of time, exemplary of Republican waste.

Republicans are quickly finding that there are limits to their political powers.

The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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> The State Department did not get a warrant before asking Clinton and her staff to turn over emails that went through Clinton's server. Only emails related to official business. The distinction is crucial to these questions of law, but is consistently forgotten or elided, even by this Hill article.

> Only emails related to official business. The distinction is crucial to these questions of law, but is consistently forgotten or elided, even by this Hill article. It's not forgotten. No one believes her. (Except maybe you.) She deleted the personal emails. Who does that? At most you don't turn them over, and then store them somewhere. Hard disks are cheap. But no, she deleted them, making 100% sure no one could ev…

It's fine that she deleted her personal emails. Everyone does that.

No one really cares about this issue except the House Republicans. They really are trying their hardest to figure out something here, but are obviously coming up empty. It just makes them look foolish.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Later on, but not at the point here. He could delete all her private emails here if he wished.

you raise the point: where in the timeline of subpoenas or other legal requests does the attempt at modifying the email archive, does Combetta's post fit? My understanding: Combetta's post comes 1 day after Hillary had reached an agreement about turning them over. So was she dealing in bad faith with the govt? To be determined I guess?

Combetta is just trying to hide email addresses from spammers. How is that "bad faith"?

"Bad faith" is trying to expose personal email addresses to spammers.

The House Republicans would love it if they could publicize her private personal email address. It would render it useless.

The IT guy's job here is to make sure that doesn't happen.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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> The actual facts aside I happen to believe that facts are important in a Presidential race. Essentially your response is repeating talking points of the Trump campaign... which is OK, 1st amendment and all that but to pretend like you're making a constructive addition to the discussion / debate is folly. Right now America has a choice between Trump, a racist, mysoginist demagogue who has never held a public office…

> the most experienced presidential candidate of the last couple of decades George H. W. Bush was a two term vice president, director of the CIA, etc. I've been following this election pretty closely for more than a year, and I seriously couldn't tell you what Clinton's positive message is besides "I'm experienced". Nobody cares. Americans don't elect technocratic planks of wood. This is the worst, most inept preside…

It's really interesting to hear you say that, actually, because from my perspective, she had two positive messages:

- "I'm experienced"

- "I'm a woman, and it's high time a woman became President"

It's interesting that her campaign has finally stopped beating us over the head with the latter, at least; it was insultingly sexist.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Given the potential outcomes of Trump vs Clinton, a lot of people believe (rightly, IMO) that this electoral cycle is not a good time to make symbolic gestures or long-term strategic voting games. Too much is at stake. And a lot of us believe (rightly, IMO) that both Clinton and Trump are so equally bad, that there's no effective difference. Me personally, if Gary wasn't in the race, I wouldn't cast a vote for Presid…

Clinton may be corrupt and sleazy, but the country can survive 4 or even 8 years of that - it did many times before. Whereas 4 years of a sociopath with megalomania, a definitive authoritarian streak, and a massive populist backing, I'm not so sure about. Let me put it this way. As a third party supporter, your strategy, presumably, is to slowly accrue vote until your candidate of choice (or really, anyone who's will…

Interesting, because I feel exactly the opposite.

Corruption is the #1 thing that destroys countries. Nothing else comes close.

A "sociopath with megalomania" on the other hand can't really do much to hurt the country (no one would let him). And I don't see how "a definitive authoritarian streak, and a massive populist backing" are a problem.

i.e. secret damage to a country is much worse than open damage.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Literally the first thing you see visiting her site is an attack that you are forced to join in on, rather than talk of what she's going to do for the country. "Guy B is bad, elect me." is not as strong an argument as "I can and will do X to improve Y, guy B can't." And you still get to attack in B! How can I in good conscience vote either party? I would be infinitely amused if everyone without talking about it voted…

The problem with third parties is that it is, somehow, a vote for Trump[0] and Hillary[1]. Then there's the "lesser of two evils" fallacy[2] some Hillary supporters use. It's actually sad how people think there's no escape from the two party system. [0]: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201... [1]: http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/08/11/nevertrump-yo... [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/…

We don't have a two-party system. The DNC and GOP just want us to believe that we do.

The more we keep believing that we do, the more this same crap will keep happening every four to eight years.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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On top of all of these what I found fascinating is the amount of blind luck bestowed upon Trump. The guy has swallowed a horseshoe.

I think this demonstrates the frailty of a two-party system. If one candidate in the general unexpectedly gets knocked out, the election is all but over. Granted, the primaries remedy this to an extent, except when you have the unabashed stacking that was employed to counter recent 2012 and 2016 primary campaigns. Democracy is at its most interactive in the early stages of the election, but the vast majority of peopl…

Good thing here in America we don't have a two-party system!

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Honestly, I don't know the applicable laws very well (or at all). This was just an honest question. Given all the contention over the HRC email thing and specifically over this reddit revelation, I'm not so sure that the situation we have is clearly defined within the laws (otherwise why wouldn't everything be clear cut and decided already?).

The law behind the mishandling of classified information is from the 1950s and is mostly outdated. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudenc... What is clear however, is that judging Clinton's mishandling of emails as a crime, when only one person in a hundred years in completely different circumstances has been prosecuted for the same crime, would be unprecedented. http://www.politico.com/blogs/un…

There was a guy prosecuted this year for similar security lapses. He went to jail.

Snowden wrote in wired, though the article doesn't cover the latest news https://www.wired.com/2015/09/snowden-people-get-fired-prose...

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