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Post by morgante »

MichaelGG wrote: post #196
bcg1 wrote: post #171

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'"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." (Trump called the things written about him in the book "probably true.")' http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest... Also Trump was the President of the Trump organization when the DOJ fined the company for illegal housing discrimination, doing things l…

That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.

> The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.

This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by CamperBob2 »

throwaway2016b wrote: post #267
CamperBob2 wrote: post #90

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The reason I'm worried is that it's becoming increasingly clear why the GOP was so enthusiastic about blocking Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland to SCOTUS. That never made any sense, except in a bizarro world where they were very sure they weren't going to lose the Presidency. Nate Silver has been wrong at every single juncture, as have the rest of the polls. We're off the beaten path and down the rabbit hole, an…

>The reason I'm worried is that it's becoming increasingly clear why the GOP was so enthusiastic about blocking Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland to SCOTUS. That never made any sense, except in a bizarro world where they were very sure they weren't going to lose the Presidency. How does that not make sense? They've been blocking everything they can since they got the majority.

Because if a Democrat is elected, they'll end up dealing with nominees that are even less to their liking.

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Post by imron »

saboot wrote: post #314
imron wrote: post #308

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> But you are ignoring that people who are proudly racist are openly admitting to using pepe specifically to broaden and popularize explicitly racist ideas You mean like the prominent white supremacists quoted in the article linked to by that expose? Who later turned out to be a couple of trolls making up stuff for shits and giggles to see what sort of ridiculous things they could make journalists write? ( http://dai…

No, I mean people like Richard Spencer, an unashamed white supremacist who believes in segregating by race. "We live in a society of a great deal of degeneracy, we live in a society in which the fundamental norms are liberal, and we are attempting to fight our way out of that. And sometimes that's going to involve using the means that are at hand. That's going to involve being a part of this fragmented group. That's…

> Willfully ignoring that these people are attempting to get organized, and co-opting whatever gets them traction, is unhelpful at best and dangerous.

You've got it backwards. Allowing their words to control your actions gives them power over you.

Are 'dank memes' now racist also just like Pepe?

Imagine instead of 'It's going to involve pepe' he said 'It's going to involve breathing air and drinking water', or some other common and popular thing.

Do you give such idiots the power to control your actions over some common and totally innocuous thing that you might otherwise enjoy or find amusing?

That is called being played for a fool and that is what gets them traction.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by colejohnson66 »

PostOnce wrote: post #235
cloakandswagger wrote: post #119

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I especially love the pop-up modal asking me "Is Trump unfit to be President?" on that site. There's only a single button (I Agree), and clicking the X in the corner to close the modal causes the button to be pushed at the same time. For someone as "experienced" as Clinton, her campaign is astoundingly incompetent.

Literally the first thing you see visiting her site is an attack that you are forced to join in on, rather than talk of what she's going to do for the country. "Guy B is bad, elect me." is not as strong an argument as "I can and will do X to improve Y, guy B can't." And you still get to attack in B! How can I in good conscience vote either party? I would be infinitely amused if everyone without talking about it voted…

The problem with third parties is that it is, somehow, a vote for Trump[0] and Hillary[1]. Then there's the "lesser of two evils" fallacy[2] some Hillary supporters use. It's actually sad how people think there's no escape from the two party system.

[0]: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201... [1]: http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/08/11/nevertrump-yo... [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principl...

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by saboot »

imron wrote: post #323
saboot wrote: post #314

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No, I mean people like Richard Spencer, an unashamed white supremacist who believes in segregating by race. "We live in a society of a great deal of degeneracy, we live in a society in which the fundamental norms are liberal, and we are attempting to fight our way out of that. And sometimes that's going to involve using the means that are at hand. That's going to involve being a part of this fragmented group. That's…

> Willfully ignoring that these people are attempting to get organized, and co-opting whatever gets them traction, is unhelpful at best and dangerous. You've got it backwards. Allowing their words to control your actions gives them power over you. Are 'dank memes' now racist also just like Pepe? Imagine instead of 'It's going to involve pepe' he said 'It's going to involve breathing air and drinking water', or some o…

What are you talking about? I'm pointing out that they are intentionally using pepe memes to make their ideas seem innocuous. And they get retweeted widely. It's a fact, choose to do what you want with it.

If you want to blow that up into a giant hyperbole that's on you. Making people aware of what is going on doesn't limit anyone's speech or actions.

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Post by joshmn »

xenadu02 wrote: post #11

> "As a PST file or exported MSG files, this could be done though, yes? > The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it." From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted…

> I didn't see any huge circus or massive outcry about that.

There were just so many things wrong with the Bush administration. I have mad respect for George W, he's a nice guy, and talks a little funny (to a northerner), but some of the things he did just... I don't even know.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by dilap »

Retric wrote: post #164
dilap wrote: post #30

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What adam12 said -- sure, running a private email server to avoid FOIA is just Bush-level shady (though I'd hope the bar acceptable behavior would be higher than 'Bush did it'). But modifying and deleting evidence to thwart a subpoenae from the FBI is real bad.

It's 7 months, prior to the first subpoena. This is a question for redacting information, which is fairly common when doing releases to congress etc.

ah, good point about the timeline. after the benghazi subpoena, but before the email subpoenas. not nearly as bad.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by MichaelGG »

morgante wrote: post #321
MichaelGG wrote: post #196

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That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.

> The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.

How is it anti? It's a positive stereotype.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by jimmywanger »

rezashirazian wrote: post #101
jimmywanger wrote: post #26

The actual facts aside, this makes her appear far less electable, as her campaign camp looks like it's being run by a bunch of clowns. Just from a PR perspective, this could not have come at a worse time. The collapse at the 9/11 memorial, the "basket of deplorables", and the mention of the Pepe meme on her official website. Right after a couple of muslim terror attacks, some evidence surfaces purporting that she tri…

On top of all of these what I found fascinating is the amount of blind luck bestowed upon Trump. The guy has swallowed a horseshoe.

I don't think it's blind luck.

Trump really knows how to seize advantage of a weakness.

And remember, he's already primed the pump.

He's labeled Clinton as "crooked" and "lacking stamina" far before all this happened. He must have seen something, cause everything she's done since then has confirmed it.

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Post by imron »

saboot wrote: post #325
imron wrote: post #323

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> Willfully ignoring that these people are attempting to get organized, and co-opting whatever gets them traction, is unhelpful at best and dangerous. You've got it backwards. Allowing their words to control your actions gives them power over you. Are 'dank memes' now racist also just like Pepe? Imagine instead of 'It's going to involve pepe' he said 'It's going to involve breathing air and drinking water', or some o…

What are you talking about? I'm pointing out that they are intentionally using pepe memes to make their ideas seem innocuous. And they get retweeted widely. It's a fact, choose to do what you want with it. If you want to blow that up into a giant hyperbole that's on you. Making people aware of what is going on doesn't limit anyone's speech or actions.

> I'm pointing out that they are intentionally using pepe memes to make their ideas seem innocuous. And they get retweeted widely. It's a fact, choose to do what you want with it.

The same would be true if they posted Mickey Mouse memes or anything else. To claim Pepe memes by default have any sort of racist undertones (as the Clinton campaign is doing) is false.

> Making people aware of what is going on doesn't limit anyone's speech or actions

Except with that article on Hillary's site, it's not being done to 'make people aware' it's done to brand Pepe as being racist so that when you see regular Trump supporters posting completely innocent Pepe memes (which they do with regularity) it creates the illusion that a large number of Trump supporters are racist (some are I'm sure but the same goes for any group that contains tens of millions of people).

Taking a white-supremacist at his word that Pepe is part of their movement also give them power and notoriety that they wouldn't otherwise have. By 'making people aware' you are giving voice to people who otherwise wouldn't be heard.

Don't believe me? Look at Google Trends for something like 'David Duke'

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=david%20duke

Who do you think is responsible for creating that upsurge in interest?

Who are the people quoting Duke in articles and writing pages and pages of content about him?

Hint it isn't Trump, it's the people trying to tar Trump with a racist brush.

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