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A Theory of Creepiness

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Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this was a hyperbolic rant, but it's deplorable how this author literally dehumanizes men. The essay may be interesting, but it's mostly just monstrous.

I think you're being a bit sensitive. It's a writing style meant to provoke.

Well if saying anything you like as long as it is meant to provoke [a response] is acceptable, then let's have a few articles about why antisemitism is cool and how black people have low IQs. Or are those subjects that have been covered and people have been both prosecuted over and been fired from their jobs for?

Being provocative at least requires starting with an argument that can be defended.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an over the top rant, but as a woman I agree with her basic premise: the "women are less visual" thing is a total lie and tied neatly into the "women desire sex less than men" lie. Looks are important to many women just as they are important to many men. There's nothing to be ashamed of and there is no point in denying human sexuality.

Honest question: did you actually read past the first two paragraphs? I am astonished that any educated person could lend any support whatsoever to an article that uses terms like "genetic superiors." The premise is that only beautiful people are human beings .

Not are. Are perceived as such by the surveyed set of women.

Specifically, an ugly solicitor elicits a reaction comparable to a zombie in some women. This is generally a subconscious reaction belying sexual selection. Extreme but it happens. Less extreme version is tied to disgust feeling.

The root is probably the same: detecting contagious people and animals.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

This essay is a troll, surely? Or, the author is mentally disturbed.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

This essay is a troll, surely? Or, the author is mentally disturbed.

Doesn't have to be mentally disturbed. Just a horrible person. No matter the truth or falsity of the content, I can think of one scenario when that kind of writing is acceptable: when writing solely for someone who has declared [Crocker's rules][1] on the subject.

[1]: http://sl4.org/crocker.html

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I was hoping that the article would explain the increase in the popularity of 'creepy': https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=creepy https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=creepy&year_st...

I'm stating the obvious but it's spiking every October in anticipation of Halloween. Ignoring those spikes and looking at the growth trend that began around 2007, it looks fairly organic and has remained relatively flat since mid 2014. What kicked it off in 2007 I don't know. The term has simply become a short-hand way of describing something that brings unease. The problem with the term is that people aren't actuall…

>What kicked it off in 2007 I don't know.

The internet meme of "creepypasta," probably. See /r/nosleep for the sanitized version. This is the meme cluster that yielded Slenderman, BEKs, and the SCP project.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

That article sounds like it was written by a man. Not saying it's not accurate. But I've never heard any of the women I know frame things that way, even if they might agree with the ideas if presented with them.

If something is too offensive or creepy it must be written by a man. There's no way a woman wrote something people found displeasing. Sarcasm. Wording aside, I've heard plenty of women frame men that same way, including the 'lower than human' vibe.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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> a peculiar smile; having greasy or unkempt hair, bulging eyes, abnormally long fingers, very pale skin or bags under the eyes. Did Steve Buscemi help define creepiness for the polled group, or did he hit a genetic jackpot of pre-existing ideas of creepiness? (Or both?) Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Buscemi

Anecdotally, I know more than one straight woman who finds Buscemi really attractive. I'm not surprised. He's cool.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Interesting side note: The words "Awkward" and "Creepy" don't exist in German and there are no direct or inderect equivalents. It goes so far that it is culturally impossible to have creepy or awkward behaviour.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Just take comfort in knowing that female attractiveness usually drops off a cliff far earlier than male attractiveness does. The same girl writing that essay will one day be 40+ and begging for any of those "genetic superiors" to give her five seconds, while the same male "uggo" with a stable income and decent hygiene will be able to take his pick of a bunch of nicer women who didn't view the whole of humanity throug…

yeah, female skin ages faster, and skin is what we see on others. this ain't fair, but we can't fool genetics (for now).

unconscious behavior like this made me lose much of the respect I had for women (and I started with lots of it!). the better I knew them the worse it got. sheepish mentality, playing all kinds of weird mind games all the time, frequent need of assurance of attractiveness and constant looking in the mirrors, never fully saying what they think directly to the person/man, and the list goes on and on (really, damn too long).

once I stopped treating my partners as fully equals and started to be the dominant person in the relationship (this doesn't mean being an ahole, just a confident partner and a bit more), things started to be much better.

women need THE man, alpha male, to gently/firmly dominate them. truly dominant ones ie successful in manager positions have usually just a string of failed relationships, since their partners are either less dominant -> submissive, and that doesn't breed much respect in relationship long term, or they are even more dominant which means usually pretty horrible persons and constant fights over nothing. Infrequent exceptions that work are just that, exceptions.

Just to clarify - I don't have an experience with shallow and 'not-so-clever' ones where this behaviour is more pronounced, rather doctors, stock traders, cellular researchers, managers etc.

just my 2 cents, I hope YMMV significantly :)

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