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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

noonespecial wrote: post #129

The best way to make a difference against this nastyness realistically available to us is probably the "one star review". And when you do, resist writing 10 paragraphs about all the times HP has ever wronged you or a long story about how much you needed the printout when it refused to print. One star, one sentence. "Expires full inks after only x months forcing you to buy new ones when you don't need them." I know fo…

"Luckily", Amazon fixed the glitch by having the "star rating" consist of an "intelligent" summary of the reviews instead of the average, which means that there are products with 3.5+ stars despite having 50%+ 1-star reviews and very few 5-stars.

The top review they show is also a paid ("free product") review praising it with a lot of text, nicely pushing all the 1-star ones out of view.

It was a HP printer, too.

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Post by chris_wot »

supercoder wrote: post #288
chris_wot wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, they stopped Apple and HP from selling "extended warranties".

What ? Apple definitely sell extended warranties.

No, they do not. Not in Australia.

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Post by coldtea »

rayiner wrote: post #181
tamana wrote: post #160

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You think sharing honest information to help people is worse than lying for profit?

The one star rating is not an honest attempt to review the product--it's just pushing an agenda. For the vast majority of people the third-party cartridge issue is a footnote, not something meriting a one-star review.

>For the vast majority of people the third-party cartridge issue is a footnote, not something meriting a one-star review.

Then those people can always NOT write an one-star review. As for the others, there's nothing wrong with pushing an agenda, if you think it's an important fault of the product.

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Post by coldtea »

Hydraulix989 wrote: post #211
noonespecial wrote: post #129

The best way to make a difference against this nastyness realistically available to us is probably the "one star review". And when you do, resist writing 10 paragraphs about all the times HP has ever wronged you or a long story about how much you needed the printout when it refused to print. One star, one sentence. "Expires full inks after only x months forcing you to buy new ones when you don't need them." I know fo…

I generally go for the three star review. It suggests I'm fair, and not some crazy, raving lunatic.

I suspect all three star reviews.

Either the product is totally mediocre (and people hold no strong opinions about it), or the reviewer is a crazy, raving lunatic attempting to hide that fact behind a moderate score.

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Post by woliveirajr »

pingec wrote: post #198
izacus wrote: post #41

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Which OKI do you have? Since I'm running my C301dn on 3rd party toners for awhile now.

I also have the C301dn and am very satisfied with it compared to previous printers (inkjets). Works when you need it even after months of non-usage and toner replacements are cheap off ebay. The only thing that worries me is the drum unit / fuser / belt life as I have no idea what happens when they reach 0%. There is a hardware hack though to reset those as well.

I couldn't find hard resets to my drum unit/fuser. No soft ones too. Here the replacement costs more than I would pay for a new printer.

And, what makes me sick, the quality was as good as brand new, so the "we limit the amount of printings because we care about the quality loss" yada-yada is pure #@$#*!$@

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Post by woliveirajr »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #151
vlehto wrote: post #51

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Life based on printed pages would be OK. If you actually print the number pages you promise, I can compare the total costs of cartridges and printers. But I think some models also have timer. After 6 months or year, the printer starts to complain that the ink has "dried up". To prohibit you from saving up that unicorn blood by printing less. By banned list is HP, Canon and I'm very cautious about Samsung.

Would you buy a water bottle that contains a certain amount of water but closes itself after X sips regardless of remaining content?

Remembers me about the marketing that a specific soda brand should cost more in hot days so selling machines would increase the price automatically. That was rejected by consumer pressure...

Someday, your printer will kill more "printing credits" on those days that you are on a hurry.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

noonespecial wrote: post #129

The best way to make a difference against this nastyness realistically available to us is probably the "one star review". And when you do, resist writing 10 paragraphs about all the times HP has ever wronged you or a long story about how much you needed the printout when it refused to print. One star, one sentence. "Expires full inks after only x months forcing you to buy new ones when you don't need them." I know fo…

I very much disagree. A one-star 'review' is seldom a review. Complaints, which is the better classification for these posts, are better when included in a 2-star review that offers some context and demonstration that the reviewer is in a stable state of mind.

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Post by lamontcg »

pjc50 wrote: post #287
noja wrote: post #260

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Most one-star reviews I see are for anything _but_ the product: "delivery was late", "box was damaged", "came with wrong power cord".

Amazon et al should really make it possible for people to disaggregate their opinions on this kind of think. Lots of delivery companies are terrible but there's no ability to leave feedback ("driver threw parcel over fence") etc.

Tech support is also uniformly awful, and someone always winds up getting shipped a lemon and complains about bad tech support. Unless there's some kind of fundamental design flaw that led to the product failing, or truly common issue that is likely to affect me, I don't actually care. Someone always tries to install a brand new router and finds it won't even power on, then they call tech support and have a horrible time talking to someone in India who can't go off-script.

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Post by boodm »

Spooky23 wrote: post #126
chrisseaton wrote: post #5

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I never understood the razor/razorblade analogy. A razor handle without a blade is just a shaped bit of plastic or metal, without any working or moving parts. The precision engineering is all in the blade. It'd be weird if the handle wasn't cheap and the blades more expensive. But a printer really is a non-trivial set of electronics and working parts, so it is more surprising that they're so cheap.

That's because you've probably grown up under this regime. Older style razors are the opposite. My dad has probably spent $100 in shaving supplies over the last 30 years. I got suckered into Gillette and could probably buy a Honda Accord for the money I've dumped into this crap.

Change that today! /r/wicked_edge You don't have to use the fancy soaps / brushes to wet shave, but they do help. Buy a handle (~$25) and blades are dirt cheap QTY 100 for ~$12 - 20.
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