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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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As an aside, does anyone remember the last time they were happy with ANY HP product? Everytime I see that logo I get chills knowing what a pain in the ass it's going to be. Edit: I am specifically thinking about HPSM, and HPNA here.

HP calculators are awesome and more rugged than TI's.

Is there a good use case for physical calculators in this day and age? An app on your phone can replace one entirely.

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HP calculators are awesome and more rugged than TI's.

Is there a good use case for physical calculators in this day and age? An app on your phone can replace one entirely.

I have a calculator on my desk even though I have a smartphone with me and M-x calc is just a few keystrokes away. It saves a window switch when doing calculations, and the tactile feel of buttons reduces mistakes.

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HP just agreed to buy Samsung's printing business. https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/12/hp-is-buying-samsungs-prin...

Eh, those were terrible anyway. I have an ML2525w which should be wireless, but in reality almost never joins the wifi network on boot reliably like all of the ESP8266s I have. I have to re-run setup on it all the time, and half the time it doesn't get detected by the tool. I gave up long ago and just hard-wired it. If I follow the exact turn-on procedure it likes and wait for it to be fully settled before attempting…

I've had no connectivity issues with my Samsung color laser printer. I need it here in SE Asia, since bureaucracy still reigns and paper vs. electronics is not quite there yet. It reminds me of Brooklyn in the 70s for that matter - the DMV comes to mind!

Love my ESP8266; did you year about the ESP32 yet? I am trying to port Wasp Lisp/Wasp VM to it for networking (not pentesting) not for IOT, but creating a mesh network of sorts here in the village I have been staying in East Java - no Kinkos or Starbucks here!

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How is this not a class action lawsuit?

Either (a) you most likely agreed to an arbitration clause when purchasing the printer or (b) customers don't care enough. Or both. My money is on the second one. Customers are cheap and lazy. If their printer breaks, they go buy a new $40 one instead of doing research and finding a quality one for a few hundred. "What does this $300 laser do that this $40 inkjet doesn't!?" You mean besides last longer, actually work…

Those arbitration clauses mean nothing in the EU.

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Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Inkjets are smaller than lasers. Cheap inkjets are cheaper than cheap lasers. Price per page doesn't really matter when pages per year is less than 100.

> Inkjets are smaller than lasers.

Nope. My 55€ Canon inkjet is larger then laser printer from Samsung for 70€.

> Cheap inkjets are cheaper than cheap lasers.

Nope. Cheap lasers are in the same ballpark as cheap inkjets (50€$). The major difference is in toner/cartridge consumption and exchange interval. A laser toner can last significantly longer then inkjet cartridge and isn't prone to damages of no regular usage.

> Price per page doesn't really matter when pages per year is less than 100.

Absolutely correct and this also brings an answer why people choose those inkjets : "ah, I rarely print anything, so I'll have a device to print everything".

But it differs if you calculate the cost of inkjet cartridge drying out/printing problems with non regular usage. Technology on laser toners doesn't have such limitations.

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I'm fairly sure this is illegal in the EU under one of the e-waste directives.

Yes, cartridges fall under the WEEE Directive. What do you think is the best way to enforce the rules on HP and make this action illegal? Contact the Member State authorities? Feel this should be enforced by the EU instead of national... gah, directives.

First check if the offending printers are actually being sold in Europe! They might only be for the US market.

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Normally, I loathe one-star amazon and yelp reviews. They are almost always knee-jerk reactions to some function not working perfectly, or, more often, the consumer felt disrespected and didn't receive the proper service, even though the product or food is flawless. However, there's an exception to everything. Just this week, my printer crapped out a week after inserting 3rd party ink cartridges. I just thought that…

Most one-star reviews I see are for anything _but_ the product: "delivery was late", "box was damaged", "came with wrong power cord".

Amazon et al should really make it possible for people to disaggregate their opinions on this kind of think. Lots of delivery companies are terrible but there's no ability to leave feedback ("driver threw parcel over fence") etc.

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There are no fines large enough the ACCC can serve that will stop them from this practice. ACCC is pretty toothless again big companies like this.

I dunno, they stopped Apple and HP from selling "extended warranties".

What ? Apple definitely sell extended warranties.

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Yes, cartridges fall under the WEEE Directive. What do you think is the best way to enforce the rules on HP and make this action illegal? Contact the Member State authorities? Feel this should be enforced by the EU instead of national... gah, directives.

First check if the offending printers are actually being sold in Europe! They might only be for the US market.

Dutch retailer 123inkt was mostly responsible for finding this time bomb, so yes, definitely.

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The best way to make a difference against this nastyness realistically available to us is probably the "one star review". And when you do, resist writing 10 paragraphs about all the times HP has ever wronged you or a long story about how much you needed the printout when it refused to print. One star, one sentence. "Expires full inks after only x months forcing you to buy new ones when you don't need them." I know fo…

Review me..

Amazon.co.uk: https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-ENVY-Printer-Instant-Ready/dp/B0... Amazon.com: https://www.amazon.com/HP-F0V69A-B1H-Wireless-Printing/dp/B0...

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