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iTunes will never work well

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Re: iTunes will never work well

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Interesting that every single UI example in this article is from an old version of Windows. Fuck Windows. You want iTunes to work well? You want to see Apple's real UI? Then use their real platform.

Are you saying on OS X I wouldn't have gotten the inscrutable dialog saying, "You are about to start playback. Do you want to clear the 2 songs previously added to Up Next?" (I guess, all these years later, I kinda get it? But they should just have moved the song you selected to the top of the Up Next queue.)

That dialog happens when you've added some songs to Up Next, then double-click on a new playlist/album. Double clicking on a playlist/album means play this song and all the ones that come after it in the album. So you've given itunes conflicting instructions. Without that dialog, there's no way of resolving the conflict without pissing someone off.

> But they should just have moved the song you selected to the top of the Up Next queue.

You can do this by right clicking a song, and clicking Play Next. There is no dialog for that. But imagine how frustrating it would be if they adopt your proposed behavior for someone double clicking on an album. What if I just want to clear everything and just play this album? I want to hear it now, not wait until this song ends.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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On mobile, I would honestly say that Google Maps is the single most difficult app to navigate. Add a route between A and B, then slightly scroll on the map. The context information disappears and once you get the bloody thing up again, how do you go back to results? It is infuriating.

My personal pet peeve is getting back to the map after clicking "explore food and drinks near you". There's an arrow at the top left, but it disappears once you scroll, and you might be on a different screen.

On Android, there's a physical back button on the phone, which makes this all so much easier.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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The single worst thing about itunes, in my opinion, is the way it handles duplicate songs. It has a "detect duplicates" feature, but all that does is show a list of groups of songs that it thinks are duplicates, and it has false positives! But the one thing it can't do, is detect when you've added multiple copies of the exact same file in the same directory . My music collection needs to by synced across computers, a…

fdupes is your friend in cases like these — it finds duplicate files fast. As usual, the CLI tools are much better at solving problems than a terrible GUI like iTunes.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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i don't understand how apple have a reputation for good ui... all of their stuff is terrible. the main problem: zero discoverablity - i need to google how to do things, then get some snotty fanboy answer about how easy and obvious it is, but there is literally no way to infer the functionality from the design. they do love to steal context too... and interrupt your flow... ... i could go on and on, but having zero-di…

Their reputation stemmed from the days where everything was discoverable. Want to delete a file? There's a trash can glued to your dock. Need to perform a function but don't know the name? Look it up in the Help menu's search box. Now, though, they've done the Windows 8 thing of overloading gestures and hiding behaviors. Want to see your notifications? Two-finger swipe to the left, starting from the edge of the touch…

Imagine what real 3D gesture recognition will be like.[1]

[1] https://atap.google.com/soli/

Re: iTunes will never work well

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> want to eject a disk? drag it to the trash can...? That was just something that was there forever, basically since 1984. It was part of the Macintosh vernacular. You could also right-click to eject.

Right-click? On a mouse with one button?

"The Macintosh has a multi-button mouse, but the buttons are on the keyboard".

Re: iTunes will never work well

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want to eject a disk? drag it to the trash can...? I think Apple was good at keeping things consistent across apps, but the chosen metaphors were sometimes just as confusing (if worse) than the blessed windows one. Not that it matters, everything is learned behaviour anyways. Consistency is already a great achievement.

> want to eject a disk? drag it to the trash can...? That was just something that was there forever, basically since 1984. It was part of the Macintosh vernacular. You could also right-click to eject.

That's kind of my point. It's all learned vernacular, so having inately understandable behaviour isn't as important as being consistent.

Though someone's saying that dragging the ion turns it into the eject symbol, which I hadn't noticed until now but is more reasonable.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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i don't understand how apple have a reputation for good ui... all of their stuff is terrible. the main problem: zero discoverablity - i need to google how to do things, then get some snotty fanboy answer about how easy and obvious it is, but there is literally no way to infer the functionality from the design. they do love to steal context too... and interrupt your flow... ... i could go on and on, but having zero-di…

apples UI reputation is from the mac days when it's major selling point over windows boxes was that the UI was nicer, shinier and easier. the ipods looked nice, and the iphones looked nice.

but the UX for some apple things is trash. I've had years of IT working with crap interfaces and itunes is still one of the most confusing and willfully annoying programs i've used.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Speaking of, Apple is to blame for the absolute worst case of discoverability I've ever encountered: getting the iOS App Store app to list all apps labeled "Essentials". Dug around, couldn't find it. Googled it, found a few forum threads where everybody concluded it couldn't be done. Went into an Apple store, gave an employee a few minutes to figure it out, and he gave up. And yet, it's possible. Rather than just tel…

Searching for "essentials" seems to do the trick.

Same here. What am I missing?
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