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iTunes will never work well

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Re: iTunes will never work well

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This is why I still use Winamp, and now more and more, Plex.

Although I'm a proud owner of a Winamp license, I've been using AIMP over the past year or so. It's blatantly, if not purposefully, a Winamp clone but has a few excellent innovations of its own and is frequently updated. I strongly recommend it for any Winamp fans.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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post #114

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> want to eject a disk? drag it to the trash can...? That was just something that was there forever, basically since 1984. It was part of the Macintosh vernacular. You could also right-click to eject.

Right-click? On a mouse with one button?

You had t press a modifier key to right click, but 2 button mouses have been sold with macs since 10.2 at least, and 10.2 was available in 2001/2.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Well to be fair the title might be: iTunes will never work well ON WINDOWS. I was always wondering why I can read so much rants about a good product I've been using on a daily basis for years... Well it seams that the Windows version sucks, and what is described is really a world away from the native cocoa version on macOS.

Believe me, it's not much better on Mac from a UX perspective.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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The failure of iTunes is intrinsically linked to the unsuitability of WebObjects as a modern application framework.

iTunes isn’t bad because Apple is inept, far from it, but to make it fine at this point would require a rewrite and I assume at Apple there is a tradeoff between “Is this crappy to use” and “Well, does it at least work?”, with the latter being a stronger motivator (or in this case, demotivator) of change than the former.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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iTunes was beautiful up to 10.7. Then they removed the column browser, disabled the Library view, and broke USB sync. I still haven't upgraded, and I'm desperate for another company to step in.

Agreed. You can enable the column browser and the library view if you want though. Check the View menu.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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To be fair, even Google has terrible UI/UX these days. Just look at Google Maps or Gmail. Material design isn't that great for discoverability either.

What's wrong with Google Maps? I've just been watching a non-technical friend use it and the only thing that wasn't intuitive was adding an extra stop to her trip (and even then, she discovered it without needing to search for help).

On mobile, I would honestly say that Google Maps is the single most difficult app to navigate.

Add a route between A and B, then slightly scroll on the map. The context information disappears and once you get the bloody thing up again, how do you go back to results? It is infuriating.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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post #104

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Their reputation stemmed from the days where everything was discoverable. Want to delete a file? There's a trash can glued to your dock. Need to perform a function but don't know the name? Look it up in the Help menu's search box. Now, though, they've done the Windows 8 thing of overloading gestures and hiding behaviors. Want to see your notifications? Two-finger swipe to the left, starting from the edge of the touch…

want to eject a disk? drag it to the trash can...? I think Apple was good at keeping things consistent across apps, but the chosen metaphors were sometimes just as confusing (if worse) than the blessed windows one. Not that it matters, everything is learned behaviour anyways. Consistency is already a great achievement.

the trash can turns into the eject symbol if you start to drag an ejectable volume

Re: iTunes will never work well

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post #136

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What's wrong with Google Maps? I've just been watching a non-technical friend use it and the only thing that wasn't intuitive was adding an extra stop to her trip (and even then, she discovered it without needing to search for help).

On mobile, I would honestly say that Google Maps is the single most difficult app to navigate. Add a route between A and B, then slightly scroll on the map. The context information disappears and once you get the bloody thing up again, how do you go back to results? It is infuriating.

My personal pet peeve is getting back to the map after clicking "explore food and drinks near you". There's an arrow at the top left, but it disappears once you scroll, and you might be on a different screen.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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> Their reputation stemmed from the days where everything was discoverable. Want to delete a file? There's a trash can glued to your dock. Need to perform a function but don't know the name? Look it up in the Help menu's search box. The trash is still glued to the dock. The Help menu still has a search box.

yes, that's an example of when everything was discoverable. Now, not everything is discoverable. Only some things. I don't think anyone who uses osx would be unaware that the trash can is in the dock.

> Now, not everything is discoverable. Only some things.

Both of Striking's examples are wrong though. The notification menu has an icon in the top-right corner of the screen (next to the spotlight one), click it to get the widgets/notifications; and OSX buttons still looks like buttons, they have changed look slightly (from aqua) and that's about it. Links have always been in OSX, usually for contextual linking.

They seem to know some iOS and assume OSX is the exact same, which it isn't.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Right-click? On a mouse with one button?

You had t press a modifier key to right click, but 2 button mouses have been sold with macs since 10.2 at least, and 10.2 was available in 2001/2.

> You had t press a modifier key to right click

Control, which still works incidentally.

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