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Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by pzone »

100k wrote: post #48
0xCMP wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like brew installing `emacs-mac`[0] which installs a port run by a developer in Japan. My favorite feature of it (among other amazing osx specific changes) is the sub-pixel scrolling support in emacs. When you setup your `init.el` you can call `(package-install x)` and if the package is already installed it'll do nothing but just make sure it's there. If you wanted the whole thing figured out ahead of time I recomm…

Thanks! Did not know about package-install, that's very helpful. Spacemacs looks cool. I have so many years of emacs keybindings that I'd have to turn that off, but I really like the look of what they're building.

I ported over a few years of custom keybindings and other config to Spacemacs. It was not too difficult, basically you can just tell Spacemacs to load whatever.el at startup.

Eventually I switched to evil-mode and I rarely use most of my old keybindings, but I still keep them around!

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by ncouture »

sa46 wrote: post #97
ncouture wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deeply share your feelings and recommend anyone to give Emacs and Org mode a try. The learning curve can be long, but if you start programming Emacs on your first day it will love you back faster. If Org mode interests you this may be good advice: - http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html For the lazy, I have an emacs.d directory packaged with, Norang's Bernt Hanson Org mode configuration, if you are eager to try Org mo…

http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html is awesome for inspiration but it's a ton of information. I think your point about pre-packaged Emacs configs also applies to org-mode configs. For building a productivity system, I think it's much easier to build it in small pieces, week by week.

Org mode configs are really Emacs configs.

It's true it's easier to build your system in small pieces as you discover your needs, but it helps a ton to have a better idea of what can be accomplished through customization.

In my case, I didn't write any Elisp between 2004-2010 and probably used Org mode as a bullet list during that time. Until I had enough interest to read its documentation and explored how others are using it.

Only then was I able to come up with a half-decent solution that was still quite good, but really so far off of what can be accomplished with a better understanding of the parts at play in this mode, as demonstrated by Bernt Hanson's setup (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html).

To this day I'm not even considering trying to rethink the way he is using Org mode because his setup works out perfectly for me, and I have to GTD like everybody else.

All I'm saying is it may not be obvious at first glance and without studying documentation but a very powerful set of tools are available in there and anyone with half a brain can use them, and that it's best to adopt complex-type configurations once you've wrapped your head around them.

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by Myrmornis »

mjhoy wrote: post #70

The emacs ecosystem has really changed how I work. I manage all of my email now in `mu4e`. I manage all of my notes, writing, TODOs, time tracking, invoicing in `org-mode`. For interacting with git, `magit` is simply amazing. The most important thing is how everything works together. There is the obvious window, frame and buffer management, the kill ring, the searching across all open buffers. Less obvious is that wh…

For people considering whether they'd like emacs:

Take the org-mode advice with a pinch of salt. It is an incredibly rich and powerful package, but it's possible to get completely enveloped in org-mode, costing time that could be better spent improving ones skills elsewhere.

What I am saying is: emacs can simply be an amazing text editor / programming environment. It doesn't need to be complicated. You don't need to invest time learning kitchen sink frameworks. (But as a bonus, magit is the best interface to git that there is!)

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by samuel1604 »

It's surprising to see so much popularity in mu4e in this threads when no one mention Gnus, I am too much 'hardwired' in gnus and don't think i have the 'courage' to try something else but someone would know how does it compare ?

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by alexott »

bluejekyll wrote: post #76
tptacek wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That mail workflow is good, and I use it too, but not in Emacs; most of the task management tools for OSX can link back to a specific email. Are there other good reasons to use mu4e? I'm an Emacs person, but not yet an "I do my email in Emacs" person.

I think you more mean, "I'm not an 'Emacs is my Operating System' person". There are many people who use Emacs as their OS, its never been appealing to me, because I like the richness of other tools. There is a question though, are OSes doing enough to make the integrated experience like Emacs something that's done system wide? I think Apple comes close to providing the set of things you want, but it still feels tack…

Richness of other tools are OK if you use one OS. But if you switch between several of them, then Emacs tools more handy...

I'm using Windows & Linux at work, and Mac OS X at home, and Emacs provides uniform interface for most of my tasks, except web browsing and multimedia...

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by bhrgunatha »

I highly recommend Mickey Petersen's annotated review of Emacs releases, based on the NEWS file. [1]

I also recommend his book, Mastering Emacs [2]. I learned so much from that book. It's great for both beginners and medium/long term users.

I'm mostly an autodidact so I rarely buy technical books, but I wanted to support his efforts based on reading his blog before it was published.

[1] https://www.masteringemacs.org/article/whats-new-in-emacs-25...

[2] https://masteringemacs.org/book

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by sudhirkhanger »

mjhoy wrote: post #70

The emacs ecosystem has really changed how I work. I manage all of my email now in `mu4e`. I manage all of my notes, writing, TODOs, time tracking, invoicing in `org-mode`. For interacting with git, `magit` is simply amazing. The most important thing is how everything works together. There is the obvious window, frame and buffer management, the kill ring, the searching across all open buffers. Less obvious is that wh…

How do HTML emails look in Emacs? How often do you have to open email in browser to be able to properly look at an email? What email service do you use?

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by jesserosenthal »

tptacek wrote: post #73
mjhoy wrote: post #70

The emacs ecosystem has really changed how I work. I manage all of my email now in `mu4e`. I manage all of my notes, writing, TODOs, time tracking, invoicing in `org-mode`. For interacting with git, `magit` is simply amazing. The most important thing is how everything works together. There is the obvious window, frame and buffer management, the kill ring, the searching across all open buffers. Less obvious is that wh…

That mail workflow is good, and I use it too, but not in Emacs; most of the task management tools for OSX can link back to a specific email. Are there other good reasons to use mu4e? I'm an Emacs person, but not yet an "I do my email in Emacs" person.

I use notmuch instead of mu4e, and have been quite happy with it for the last 7 years or so. The org integration is good, though I don't actually use it all that much. What is indispensable for me, though, is being able to start a longer message in a text file, save it, open a message window, (C-x i) the message file, pull in some code or text from another buffer -- basically to treat my longer emails the way I treat any other piece of text that I'm working on.

Similarly, if I'm writing, any mail (or attachment) from the last decade is just a few key strokes and a search query away, without ever really taking my eyes off my current buffer.

I know there are other ways to accomplish the same thing, but that close link between my mail and the rest of my writing is the main benefit, for me, of having my mail in emacs.

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by omaranto »

copperx wrote: post #37
agumonkey wrote: post #12

btw, windows binary build https://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/files/release/ (from 2h ago)

Is Emacs all that useful on Windows where even the most basic Unix commands aren't available? Is M-x grep even available? Or does Emacs require a Cygwin / Ubuntu Subsystem?

I'd say you are correct in thinking you need a few UNIX tools to make Emacs on Windows comfortable. But maybe it's fewer than you think. I just had to get grep, find, diff and now use Emacs on both Linux and Windows and feels almost the same.

In fact, that's part of what I love about Emacs: for the most part I don't have to worry about learning how to do stuff on Windows, I just do it in Emacs.

Re: Emacs 25.1 released

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Post by willtim »

Koshkin wrote: post #16

Having been using emacs on and off, both on Windows and Linux, and having found it being useful on some occasions, I somehow can't help thinking of it as more of a historical artifact than a toolset I would want to use on a daily basis. Being a very powerful personal computing environment and kinda fun to use, to me emacs still falls short in the ways that, for instance, UNIX command line interface with its simple si…

Don't let the age of emacs fool you into thinking it is somehow less relevant. Simple and good ideas are usually old. Compare the complexity of writing a "plugin" in Visual Studio or Eclipse. Similarly the command-line is here to stay.

There are packages such as "which-key" that can help by providing popup choices.

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