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Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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Cool, does that mean we can scale down the processor performance by half and still have a phone that is competitive, but has twice the battery life? OK, I know speed and power consumption are not linear. I'd really love if one phone would skip a year of increasing CPU speed and thinness, but would keep the advances in battery tech.

Apparently the A10 chip has two high-perf cores and two low-power cores, sort of like what ARM call "big.LITTLE". So yes, sort of.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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It's just a matter of time before we see ARM's in Macbooks. I wonder if we'll see Rosetta make an appearance for binary backward-compatibility again.

Rosetta worked, because the Intel chips were much faster than the PowerPcs back then. I doubt that the ARMs would have a sufficient large lead in performance. And there are plenty of reasons to run x86 code on Macs, be it older programs which might not be ported to ARM, or all the Windows and Linux stuff running in VMs. As much as I would like an ARM based laptop, it would be much less practical than an x86 one.

> As much as I would like an ARM based laptop, it would be much less practical than an x86 one.

We don't need to guess here. Look at the failure of Surface RT.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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The PS4 and XBox One also have four times as much RAM as the iPhone 7. In fact I was kind of shocked when they announced it would only have 2GB, considering you can get a Nexus or OnePlus with 6GB this year.

Why in the world you would need 6GB in a phone today? And the nexus can have all the ram in the world but will always be painfully slow. I am really surprised that I didn't throw my Nexus 5 against the wall out of frustration in the end. The real surprise was when my friend bought the nexus 6x or whatever is called and it was even slower than the nexus 5. Just to sum up, RAM is the most useless thing if all the rest…

Maybe not today, I bought a Oneplus 3 with 6GB ram because I plan on using it for some 4 to 5 years.

I used my old HTC Desire HD for 5 years, it became ram strapped lately with its 768mb

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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After Apple left the server space when they shuttered the Xserve, I don't think they are really interested into getting involved into that space. I think they view themselves as a consumer goods company that makes good products and uses technological innovation to serve those goals, rather then create that innovation and figure out how to productise it later.

They don't need to sell them to enterprise. They can be their own customer. They have some of the bigger datacenters after all. ARM for data storage pools seems like a good fit.

Is because the cost of an CPU, within the server, And the cost of Server within the whole DC, and then the cost of Running the DC. In the grand scheme of things CPU cost is pretty small. Not to mention we are getting another round of CPU upgrade with Intel Broadwell-E. And then some price competition from AMD's Zen.

And Intel Xeon isn't just about the CPU, it is the enterprise grade QA and testing, Network Controller, SATA controller etc. And the Xeon-D is a very Decent offering.

Then there is scale, even though Apple's Cloud is huge, it is still no where near Amazon AWS scale, not Google and Microsoft Azure either. And even if you add all these three Cloud Giant Combined, I will bet their annual buying CPU core doesn't even come close to Apple's annual iPhone sales.

So to finalize, there just isn't any financial incentive of switching.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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Cool, does that mean we can scale down the processor performance by half and still have a phone that is competitive, but has twice the battery life? OK, I know speed and power consumption are not linear. I'd really love if one phone would skip a year of increasing CPU speed and thinness, but would keep the advances in battery tech.

Unless you are playing games with it all day, Otherwise you want the Baseband Modem to be super energy efficient, or may be you some how mangically get the best reception signal everywhere.

And the Connection is only 2nd energy drain, the first being Display. I am not even sure if MicroLED could improve much at all. But any energy saving in Display Tech would be huge.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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I imagine in near future, we will use smartphones as our personal computer in every situation. In the office, one can then interact with a Bluetooth keyboard, mouse/touch pad and use a big monitor. Probably, one of the next iOS will come with a macOS UI as well (under the hood the iOS is based on macOS anyway) - so if you connect it to a huge monitor, you have the desktop UI of macOS, and otherwise the iOS UI. The sa…

The TDP limits of smartphones (no more than ~10W) make them unuseable for heavier workstation loads, and there will always be demand for a lot of local computational power.

I feel (hope :-)) that in the future, network bandwidth will be large enough that large, high-power general computation services can be used to offload intense processing tasks from personal devices to work around things like this.

So, if you're on your phone and need to crunch a massive data-set, this gets offloaded to the big-datacruncher-in-the-cloud, and the result sent back to your device.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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The day that apple flips switch in opt and ships OS X in Arms means Intel could be in trouble. They did it before with PowerPC->Intel.

I am betting this will happen in 2018. Likely to be announced in Summer 2018 WWDC. TSMC announced their 7nm will also comes with a High Performance variants. Most leading nodes has always be Mobile first, and I cant think of anyone other then Apple who would pay to get this. Other CPU and GPU makers no longer compete with Mobile's Soc Fab capacity, they just sit and wait until the yield and price is acceptable.

All this, is assuming the Mac dont just fade out, where we will simply dock our Personal Computer ( Our iPhone ) and OSX UI running.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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I imagine in near future, we will use smartphones as our personal computer in every situation. In the office, one can then interact with a Bluetooth keyboard, mouse/touch pad and use a big monitor. Probably, one of the next iOS will come with a macOS UI as well (under the hood the iOS is based on macOS anyway) - so if you connect it to a huge monitor, you have the desktop UI of macOS, and otherwise the iOS UI. The sa…

I have been wondering on the same thing. 90% of people using the desktop or Laptop now are basically the same as they are doing on phone. Social Media, Youtube, Web Surfing etc. Even some heavy lifting like Video Editing can be done on a Phone. In terms of computational power, if you add two more Core ( Our current Desktop CPU gets 4 thread from 2 Core ), and double the memory, there is nothing much left apart from the UI difference.

How far are we from that? 2 - 3 years? Where will iPad fit into it?

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The TDP limits of smartphones (no more than ~10W) make them unuseable for heavier workstation loads, and there will always be demand for a lot of local computational power.

I feel (hope :-)) that in the future, network bandwidth will be large enough that large, high-power general computation services can be used to offload intense processing tasks from personal devices to work around things like this. So, if you're on your phone and need to crunch a massive data-set, this gets offloaded to the big-datacruncher-in-the-cloud, and the result sent back to your device.

Bandwidth is only one part of the problem. Latency is another one, and it seems to be insurmountable with the modern network media.

Re: Geekbench: iPhone 7 faster than all Macbook Airs in single thread

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rosetta worked, because the Intel chips were much faster than the PowerPcs back then. I doubt that the ARMs would have a sufficient large lead in performance. And there are plenty of reasons to run x86 code on Macs, be it older programs which might not be ported to ARM, or all the Windows and Linux stuff running in VMs. As much as I would like an ARM based laptop, it would be much less practical than an x86 one.

> As much as I would like an ARM based laptop, it would be much less practical than an x86 one. We don't need to guess here. Look at the failure of Surface RT.

The RT didn’t have an X86 translation layer like is being discussed in this thread.
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