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Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by riboflava »

personlurking wrote: post #128
nappy wrote: post #4

I invented the world’s first caffeinated toothpaste - get a rush while you brush! I’m a serial entrepreneur, YCW16. Though it is a simple idea, I went through at least 60 formula iterations before I got the flavor chemistry right. This toothpaste seriously works. I actually had to lower the caffeine content from the original version. Our toothpaste gives you a quick caffeine boost that works as soon as you start brus…

> Our toothpaste gives you a quick caffeine boost that works as soon as you start brushing, even faster than coffee. I read that caffeine in coffee form takes 15-20 min to be felt by the user. I'm curious how the toothpaste form works on the spot.

Placebo effect.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by brazzledazzle »

samstave wrote: post #125
jolux wrote: post #124

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That makes absolutely no sense. They decided to feed it to people as a way of getting rid of it? Why not blast it out into space or bury it in a bunker or any other thousands of easier ways we have to dispose of things than coming up with a conspiracy for having people ingest it?

Jesus christ - I am not saying it myself... I am simply stating a FUCKING QUOTE that I recall the head of ALCOA saying to my dad when I was a kid! God HNers... I in no way gave any bias in the relaying of said quote. I cant find him online, but this is his son (Jr.) with whom I used to work with when I was a teen: http://perkinswill.com/people/john-haymaker.html

I feel like I'm having de ja vu. Have you brought this up on HN before with similar results? This all feels very familiar.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

msane wrote: post #149
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #66

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Well, that is certainly a mountain of things to go through just for fluoride in toothpaste. I find it amazing that only basic testing is needed for cosmetic products and something one is easily ingesting (slightly) on a day to day basis, but yet... fluoride requires animal testing? I would think at this point, a simple chemical composition testing the fluorine levels would be appropriate enough. They obviously don't…

Are you advocating for less testing on toothpaste or more testing on cosmetics...

In a way, both, depending.

In the case of toothpaste, we've already tested fluoride. I'm going to guess we know the safe limits and the recommended amounts in the stuff. So as long as there isn't any new sorts of drug in the toothpaste and one is using pretty standard safe sort of ingredients, there isn't really a need for some of the testing - animal or human testing. Tests to verify the percentage of fluoride in the toothpaste? Absolutely. Getting the fluoride from verified sources? Sure thing. And so on.

Cosmetics have relatively few standards comparatively [1]. In a way, it seems to be enough. It likely isn't an issue with common ingredients - same situation as fluoride. But on the other hand, if a company uses a new ingredient, I'd rather have some sort of official tests for safety. I think this is probably especially important with things used around the eyes and lips - and I'm not sure some of the warning labels are quite enough. For example, some of the Halloween makeup will have warnings not to use certain colors around the eyes (usually black or red). Of course, this is in small print on the back of the package, and not on the container holding the makeup. Yet if you look at the package, it often has that very color near the eyes.

[1]http://www.fda.gov/Cosmetics/GuidanceRegulation/LawsRegulati...

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by samstave »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #152
samstave wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus christ - I am not saying it myself... I am simply stating a FUCKING QUOTE that I recall the head of ALCOA saying to my dad when I was a kid! God HNers... I in no way gave any bias in the relaying of said quote. I cant find him online, but this is his son (Jr.) with whom I used to work with when I was a teen: http://perkinswill.com/people/john-haymaker.html

I feel like I'm having de ja vu. Have you brought this up on HN before with similar results? This all feels very familiar.

:-)

Yes - I quoted the same guy, saying the same quote and people hated me for it.

FFS; I am relaying a quote I heard from the head of fucking ALCOA! y'all motherfuckers know what ALCOA is? and how far their reach is....

I would think something as insidious as this would be interesting!

He fucking lives in SF FFS!!!

(his house is amazing, BTW)

But christ.... I was just sharing something from the past. I DID NOT SAY IT MYSELF

For y'all's benefit, perhaps I should post a quote from Literally Hitler and see how you react to that (my dad did not know hitler BTW)

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by tptacek »

samstave wrote: post #139
dragonwriter wrote: post #135

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> I am literally quoting the head of the largest aluminum processing conglomerate in the WORLD on what he said to my dad. One part of your post was framed as a quote, the part about "dental benefit BS" and "why isn't any other medical benefit made free and literally forced upon you like fluoride is???" was not.

Thats fair... But the sentiment I have is the same: on the one hand, I quoted some questionable logic from head of alcoa - then I asked a fair question: "if the government is so concerned with my health, why is all other healthcare not free/forced upon me???" As another user pointed out, Iodized salt is mandated. How about other medical practices? Why are mammograms not free and forced upon all those with breasts? Pr…

How would you "mandate" a prostate exam? You can't exactly secret away a prostate exam in someone's breakfast serial.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by DanBC »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #152
samstave wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus christ - I am not saying it myself... I am simply stating a FUCKING QUOTE that I recall the head of ALCOA saying to my dad when I was a kid! God HNers... I in no way gave any bias in the relaying of said quote. I cant find him online, but this is his son (Jr.) with whom I used to work with when I was a teen: http://perkinswill.com/people/john-haymaker.html

I feel like I'm having de ja vu. Have you brought this up on HN before with similar results? This all feels very familiar.

Yes, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11385768

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by samstave »

DanBC wrote: post #150
samstave wrote: post #144

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Yes I did... Tell my why, irrespective of anything else, that the dental benefits of Fluoride in everything is what we should do? I am not saying we shouldnt I just want to hear the statement for it... as I do not know. Again, I am just relaying a quote... and I personally have no idea. Also, I'm not "defensive" and I actually find calling someone defensive to be a really lame way of discussing anything. Don't be def…

The many downvotes are asking you to reconsider your aggressive posting style.

First I am accused of being defensive... now I am being accused of being aggressive...

WTF?!?!?!

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by bduerst »

2AF3 wrote: post #64
monknomo wrote: post #20

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If you're lucky enough to live somewhere where the crazies haven't defluorinated your water because "you're polluting our pure water with chemicals..."

It's not the role of government to brush my teeth.

It is when tooth decay is a major public health concern.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by koytch »

jamiepenney wrote: post #137
koytch wrote: post #120

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As a guy living in Europe, it seems more logical to drink unfluoridated water and use fluoridated toothpaste, but that's America over there… Cool idea, for sure.

For children, it works better in the water as you're trying to get flouride to the developing adult teeth rather than their baby teeth.

You may be right, but as I get it, the entire American population gets to drink fluoridated tap water, not only children. A stinking Commie plot, if I ever saw one.

Re: Show HN: I invented a caffeinated toothpaste

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Post by tptacek »

samstave wrote: post #157
DanBC wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The many downvotes are asking you to reconsider your aggressive posting style.

First I am accused of being defensive... now I am being accused of being aggressive... WTF?!?!?!

In case this is helpful: things like "WTF?!?!?!" aren't helping.
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