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Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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Running was clearly bad for my health: at 17 I f’d up both of mine. “Oh its just shin splints, run through it.” Yeah, until I couldn’t run through the pain any more. Quit running track, bloated up like Pacheco’s pig. Found out later that I wore grooves through the cartiledge and into my bones. Also, discovered that if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain. Its juts ingrained to hate it n…

I was lucky and avoided running myself into that kind of issue in high school. But I did get stuck with recurrent problems with my lower legs, and I did run through pain. I was heel striking, which was encouraged by equipment (thick padded shoes) and by coaching. I took years off, learned to row, and came back literally running barefoot and on my toes. Tired of pulling glass out of my feet, I started using racing fla…

Coaching was definitely a factor. Was taught that heel strikes were more efficient. Also: instead of running long distance, I should have been sprinting.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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post #86

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Running was clearly bad for my health: at 17 I f’d up both of mine. “Oh its just shin splints, run through it.” Yeah, until I couldn’t run through the pain any more. Quit running track, bloated up like Pacheco’s pig. Found out later that I wore grooves through the cartiledge and into my bones. Also, discovered that if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain. Its juts ingrained to hate it n…

I was lucky and avoided running myself into that kind of issue in high school. But I did get stuck with recurrent problems with my lower legs, and I did run through pain. I was heel striking, which was encouraged by equipment (thick padded shoes) and by coaching. I took years off, learned to row, and came back literally running barefoot and on my toes. Tired of pulling glass out of my feet, I started using racing fla…

I popped in specifically to search for "barefoot" to see if anyone was using barefoot running techniques.

When I first heard about the book "Born to Run", and how the Tarahumara use their legs/feet as the natural shock absorbers that they may have evolved to be, I said, "This is the style for me. I'm not a fan of running, but I do love efficiency, and this sounds like a fun way to give it a shot." It didn't really pan out--I have some Vibrams that get used once or twice a year--but I do like to sprint on rocky trails a lot, and going downhill is a lot more fun using something like BRT.

Interestingly, the only other comment besides yours mentioning "barefoot" is one from neilsharma, who writes that he had lots of problems from running that he chose to ante up on the footgear, which ended up further weakening his feet. I don't know if there have been studies done that show how our current shoe designs are bad for our feet--only that Vibram got in trouble for claiming that their shoes are better for you without anything backing them up--but it seems like something that ought to be looked at.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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Running was clearly bad for my health: at 17 I f’d up both of mine. “Oh its just shin splints, run through it.” Yeah, until I couldn’t run through the pain any more. Quit running track, bloated up like Pacheco’s pig. Found out later that I wore grooves through the cartiledge and into my bones. Also, discovered that if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain. Its juts ingrained to hate it n…

> if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain I can't for the life of me understand how people bear to run landing on heels. The whole ankle system is "designed" to recover as much energy as possible by loading up the Achilles tendon while at the same time saving both the knee and hip joints.

Running shoes with big padded cushy heels.

Since I’ve switched to shoes with minimal padding and a level foot bed my knee pain has decreased (oh and my feet are stronger too).

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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Average height for Japan, maybe, but not really anywhere in the Western world. Average height in the Netherlands is over 6 feet, for example.

Still not closer to 5 foot tall. I don't know how or why this is still an argument. Marathon runners are not 5' tall. That's tiny. And average height in the Netherlands is right at 6'.

Netherlands is an extreme outlier (world's tallest people). 5 foot 7 is actually standard in my country and even on the tall side for my continent, South America (although better diet is fixing that). It's also tall for Asia and Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_w...

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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I ran 80-90 miles per week while in college and continued running 20-30 per week for a couple of years after until my knee stopped cooperating (I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October). I have experienced some of the described symptoms (irregular heartbeat and etc), but wouldn't have done much differently. Honestly, this article basically boils down to 'do what your body can handle'. People are differen…

Running was clearly bad for my health: at 17 I f’d up both of mine. “Oh its just shin splints, run through it.” Yeah, until I couldn’t run through the pain any more. Quit running track, bloated up like Pacheco’s pig. Found out later that I wore grooves through the cartiledge and into my bones. Also, discovered that if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain. Its juts ingrained to hate it n…

FWIW, swimming was no better; "[swim] through it" is pretty common from any bad coach.

As a result, I have two bum knees (the breastroke kick puts so much lateral force on the knees that they separate), a pair of dodgy hips (again, I blame breaststroke), and shoulders which literally dislocate at will (I pin it on butterfly and bad form). Too much focus on the major muscle groups, and none on the muscles which keep all of those joints where they should be.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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I switched from "heel strike" to "ball of foot strike" when running. (Just tilt the front of your foot down.) It took a couple weeks to adjust. After a couple months, my chronic knee pain faded away, to be replaced by chronic pain in the knuckles of my big toes. Doing the ball strike puts an immediately noticeably less of an impact load on your knees/hips.

at some point in the beginning of the year, I did change my strike and it helped. I started leaning forward while running and it changed the strike to the forefoot one. But recently I developed a new kind of pain... it happens when I bend my knees. The worse part it now hurts even if I cycle longer than 10 min! :( I guess I will keep digging on this subject. Thanks for your advice anyway!

Don't lose heart. It takes time. In my 30s, I used to barely do 400m of relatively brisk running. And I'd mentally resigned to looking at running as a thing for the young. Until a wise friend told me about the book 'Born to run'. It was in 2009 Nov/Dec. The book is a fantastic & entertaining read, despite based on Scientific facts. So I recommend it to every body, whenever this topic comes up. Keep on gifting it to friends. Thought of giving it to random strangers in park, who I saw struggle with running, but restrained myself. But whenever any stranger in the park asks me about running, I always recommend the book. Okay, I digressed a lot, so let me get back to the point.

I try to remember the following from the book:

1) Easy then speed - A mistake all rookies make is they go for speed. A thumb rule for easy is, you should be able to breathe easily i.e. easy enough to have a conversation with a co-runner. Not easy, I keep lapsing into running fast, but time and again remind myself of this.

2) Be upright: In your comment you mention you lean forward. Thats a wrong posture. The weight should pass vertically through your body, right uptill the foot. As somebody above said, even the strikes should be below your body. Not too much forward. Head should be straight.

3) Barefoot: I am not fanatic about this. My wife runs with shoes and she does 30km every week, and she is fine with it. But before starting (in 2009) I did use to get some knee pain, perhaps because of trying to run fast. Perhaps it was longer stride (like teenagers run for short distances). Or perhaps it was just lack of belief & practice. Or perhaps it was the heel-strike. Once an old gentleman in the park, I'd developed friendship with, commented that I was heel striking. And I thought, what the heck, just some random old school & out-dated thought. My bad.

But anyway long story short, the book convinced me to run barefoot. And so I started, first with shoes itself, but very consciously toe striking, and it was quite difficult. I could definitely go upto 2-3 km, but my calf muscles used to pain like hell. But knees were perfectly fine. So it happened what the book predicted, and I was encouraged.

And I have been persistent with it. Fast forward to today. I do 41km per week (13, 13 & 15-17 on alternate days). Use a vibram for muddy trails. On concrete do bare foot.

Also I encouraged my wife to start running and after initial resistance, she started in 2013. Then she could barely do 200meters. But now as I said above, she is also a serious (albeit in amateur/recreational category) runner. Her pulse rate dropped from being 80/90 to now in the 60s.

So if you want to, keep at it, and it will happen.

edit: some typos

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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> I don't think you know anything about the cause and effect relationship considering you have no idea who I am let alone what is wrong with me knee. Why are you getting aggressive? You have your opinion, I have my opinion, no need to snap. > People are different, bodies are different Ok, I agree. But why do you then generalize yourself few sentences before and tell us that '20-30 miles a week is nothing' and treatin…

> Why are you getting aggressive? You have your opinion, I have my opinion, no need to snap. I hope you don't think that counts as aggression, hardly. And while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, considering you know nothing about me, my running history, or my medical history, it's pertinent that people know your opinion is based on zero knowledge of the situation. > Ok, I agree. But why do you then generali…

It's worth adding that some people are able to continue running after knee surgery. And many non-runners have to have knee surgery too.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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> [Lee concludes his data] "don't support that more is worse. But more may not be better." [Williams concludes] 40 miles a week [...] were 26 percent less likely to develop coronary heart disease than those running just 13 miles per week. So to sum up, running is way way better than doing nothing. More than 40 miles a week may have not only diminishing returns, but negative consequences. I'd guess most people here do…

> what a crazy time commitment running 40 miles a week actually is. Absolutely. 52 yo here, averaging about 15 miles/week running + 4-7 miles/week hiking. It takes major dedication just to work that amount in, I have no idea how I'd spin up to do 40 mi/week. And as far as I'm concerned: The cardio benefit is pretty minuscule compared to what it does for the head.

> It takes major dedication just to work that amount in, I have no idea how I'd spin up to do 40 mi/week.

Slowly, and do a little every day. Or at least, that worked for me. I do 3-4 miles a day (longer on weekends) for 25-30 mi/week total. I've worked up to that from zero over 18-24 months.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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If you measure how much time you spend watching TV or surfing the web it puts it in perspective... I used to run about 40 miles a week a few months ago. Usually ended up being between 5 and 6 hours a week. The long run is usually on the weekend when I'd imagine most people can find a few hours to spare. I am sadly injured right now and biking or inline skating instead. Now THAT takes some time and is so much less eff…

I agree wholeheartedly about TV or surfing the web. Me personally, it takes about half an hour around every run, getting dressed, getting water, stretching before and after, showering and changing clothes. longer runs leave me lethargic for a while. A two hour run leaves me exhausted. A two hour run leaves me worthless for an hour or possibly three. 40 miles in 5 hours is amazing. My bare minimum around running time…

40 miles / 5 hours is 8 mph or a 7:30 pace (presumably "easy" for him/her). That's quick but not olympics level (they do more like 6:30 easy, I think).

(As a much slower runner, I can maintain 7:30 for a mile or two. Just not 40. :-))

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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Like many professional programmers and other folks whose jobs keep them relatively sedentary during long work hours, I began to really struggle with weight gain as I progressed into my 30s.

I tried various things: cycling, personal trainer for "big lifts", running, elliptical machine, rowing. I found running to be rather hard on my joints, so I never really got into it; but I put a lot of time into the other activities, mostly doing them on my own. And, frustratingly, I didn't get out of them what I hoped.

What ended up making a huge difference was regular attendance at a variety of group fitness classes: weights, diversified HIIT, circuit training, indoor cycling. What posed a bit of a mental hurdle, but only at first, was that most of the other participants were/are women in their 20s, which made me feel awkward. As a guy, it was a little frustrating for me to be in a room of women, many 10+ years younger, who were "kicking my butt" when it came to endurance, form, and intensity. But my fitness level eventually caught up, and I'm even going for my second certification as an instructor/coach of a couple of the formats I enjoy the most. I've lost and kept off over 30 lbs., and I'm constantly motivated by the dedication of other folks who take the classes with me. In addition to regular group exercise, I've found tracking calorie input-output to be helpful, both for weight loss and maintenance. Make sure you're eating enough protein, it's really important!

Some brands I can recommend, from personal experience: Les Mills BodyPump and Grit[1], Orangetheory Fitness[2], Spinning[3], myzone monitor[4], Fitbit (Charge HR and Blaze)[5].

I also recommend buying a high-density foam-roller[6] and some balls of various densities (tennis, racquet/squash, lacrosse). I've found huge relief from post-exercise aches and pains in spending about 20 minutes after each exercise session "rolling out" my muscles. It really hurts when you're not used to it (as in teeth-gnashing, grunting discomfort!), but it eventually starts to feel good and improves recovery.

[1] https://www.lesmills.com/?findaclass=&ici=Find-A-Class-Near-...

[&] https://www.lesmills.com/workouts/fitness-classes/bodypump/

[&] https://www.lesmills.com/workouts/high-intensity-interval-tr...

[&] https://www.lesmills.com/workouts/high-intensity-interval-tr...

[&] https://www.lesmills.com/workouts/high-intensity-interval-tr...

[2] http://www.orangetheoryfitness.com/Studio-Locations

[3] http://spinning.com/en/take_a_free_spinning_class

[4] https://buy.myzone.org/products/

[5] https://www.fitbit.com/chargehr

[&] https://www.fitbit.com/blaze

[6] e.g. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BW2YYWY/

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