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Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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it's good - as long as your leg joints do not tell you the opposite nd it's too bad when they do :(

Try adding in regular strength training - doing squats properly can help immensely, and with a few other leg exercises, you might be surprised just how much of a difference it makes.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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How do I know they got their statistics right? It seems like a very easy mistake to make to look at health of people and see runners tend to be more healthy, not taking into account that health issues might prevent people from running in the first place. (So running would just be an indicator for health, not a cause).

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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It is not clear that running is bad for the knees. Recent studies ([1], [2]) find no evidence of any adverse effects, rather the contrary (lower incidence of knee osteoarthritis in the running group). One possible explanation is that the runners were less likely to put on weight over the years, leading to lower day-to-day stresses on the knees. [1] Eliza Chakravarty et al. "Long distance running and knee osteoarthrit…

> It is not clear that running is bad for the knees I wrote 'extensive running'

You didn't define 'extensive'.

Is it 20-30 miles/week over a long period, which you claim is already way too much for the majority? If I read study [1] correctly the runners were running 3.5 hours a week at the beginning of the study, which would be around 20 miles/week. That same group had a lower incidence of osteoarthritis than the control group.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim?

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not clear that running is bad for the knees. Recent studies ([1], [2]) find no evidence of any adverse effects, rather the contrary (lower incidence of knee osteoarthritis in the running group). One possible explanation is that the runners were less likely to put on weight over the years, leading to lower day-to-day stresses on the knees. [1] Eliza Chakravarty et al. "Long distance running and knee osteoarthrit…

> It is not clear that running is bad for the knees I wrote 'extensive running'

its far from crystal clear - each body is different, what builds one breaks another one (even if fitness levels are similar). genetics is not fair.

our bodies require challenge, otherwise they get weak and fragile. challenge too much, it will break. this point of diminished return is again different for each of us, and varies over time for same person.

BUT - if you give it enough time to fortify itself - I don't mean muscles, they grow faster than rest of the body. I mean when bones, tendons, ligaments and generally joints catch up (ie for climbing it takes years of gradual progression to train your fingers), they hold the body together better (knees, feet, spine etc.) and can manage stress put on it, even till high age. I have a friend who is 80 year old mountain guide and he still climbs easier stuff.

But to find the balance, the edge of benefits vs losses that is never stable and unique to each of us is very hard

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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Not so clear cut:

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/07July/Pages/Study-finds-link-be...

(the linked article talks about these various studies; have a quick read of it)

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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My experience as well. Started running last year at age 44, started getting bad knee pain within weeks. Switched to forefoot strike, knee pain practically disappeared, ran my first marathon last fall. Different people have different constraints, of course, but I would urge anyone interested in picking up running to at least try it out.

I'm 28, relatively thin, been running casually sometimes, and also got knee pain after a few months last time I got into running more seriously. I stopped for a while, did various strengthening exercises that I found on Youtube and most importantly adapted the to front-middle strike. For this, I also got low drop (4mm) shoes, which made adapting the strike so so much easier. The knee pain is now gone and I feel that…

I once went to a sports doctor about my knee pain. As I recall, he charged me $600 for an evaluation, and prescribed orthotics. The orthotics did not have any effect, despite my wearing them for years.

Bah.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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I ran 80-90 miles per week while in college and continued running 20-30 per week for a couple of years after until my knee stopped cooperating (I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October). I have experienced some of the described symptoms (irregular heartbeat and etc), but wouldn't have done much differently. Honestly, this article basically boils down to 'do what your body can handle'. People are differen…

Running was clearly bad for my health: at 17 I f’d up both of mine. “Oh its just shin splints, run through it.” Yeah, until I couldn’t run through the pain any more. Quit running track, bloated up like Pacheco’s pig. Found out later that I wore grooves through the cartiledge and into my bones. Also, discovered that if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain. Its juts ingrained to hate it n…

> if I ran on my toes instead of heel strikes I can run now without pain

I can't for the life of me understand how people bear to run landing on heels. The whole ankle system is "designed" to recover as much energy as possible by loading up the Achilles tendon while at the same time saving both the knee and hip joints.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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I ran 80-90 miles per week while in college and continued running 20-30 per week for a couple of years after until my knee stopped cooperating (I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October). I have experienced some of the described symptoms (irregular heartbeat and etc), but wouldn't have done much differently. Honestly, this article basically boils down to 'do what your body can handle'. People are differen…

You write... > Some people can handle 120 miles per week after you... > ran 80-90 miles per week [...] I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October) Apologies for being a bit harsh but the cause-effect-relationship is crystal clear. Extensive running puts a tremendous strain on our knees. You don't need to be a doctor, scientist or professional runner to know this. And just 20-30 miles/week over a long perio…

In my experience the untrained people are the ones that gets problems early when they age. If you can't run when you are 50, don't expect to walk without problems when you are 70. If you are a decent runner when you are 60, you have a good chance of being in quite good shape when you are 85.

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write... > Some people can handle 120 miles per week after you... > ran 80-90 miles per week [...] I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October) Apologies for being a bit harsh but the cause-effect-relationship is crystal clear. Extensive running puts a tremendous strain on our knees. You don't need to be a doctor, scientist or professional runner to know this. And just 20-30 miles/week over a long perio…

It is not clear that running is bad for the knees. Recent studies ([1], [2]) find no evidence of any adverse effects, rather the contrary (lower incidence of knee osteoarthritis in the running group). One possible explanation is that the runners were less likely to put on weight over the years, leading to lower day-to-day stresses on the knees. [1] Eliza Chakravarty et al. "Long distance running and knee osteoarthrit…

Or shoes with shock absorption are more prevalent now

Re: Is Running Good or Bad for Your Health?

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I ran 80-90 miles per week while in college and continued running 20-30 per week for a couple of years after until my knee stopped cooperating (I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October). I have experienced some of the described symptoms (irregular heartbeat and etc), but wouldn't have done much differently. Honestly, this article basically boils down to 'do what your body can handle'. People are differen…

You write... > Some people can handle 120 miles per week after you... > ran 80-90 miles per week [...] I'm really looking forward to knee surgery in October) Apologies for being a bit harsh but the cause-effect-relationship is crystal clear. Extensive running puts a tremendous strain on our knees. You don't need to be a doctor, scientist or professional runner to know this. And just 20-30 miles/week over a long perio…

> ... the cause-effect-relationship is crystal clear.

That must have been one of the most ignorant statements I read on HN.

> Just wait till you're older and then it's pay back time.

Well guess what, I know 70-year-olds still running a sub 3h marathon.

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