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Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

PerfectDlite wrote: post #145
tajen wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a country which has one forth of the China population which has institutional rules about the police being able to seize the money you carry, your money on cards you carry and your car without even charging you with an offense, where 6% of the black population is in jail, and 1% of the total population, and where you can be routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or if you play poker at home or ac…

Looks like there are few errors in your description of Russia.

Forgot to mention the mandatory dashcams to fight fraudulent insurance claims.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by postila »

niftich wrote: post #42
oneloop wrote: post #21

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Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.

A few things: - There are a lot of Googlers on HN, not so many Yandex-ers - Google, in the general public's minds, is buoyed by positive mindshare that was generated a very, very long time ago (early-to-mid-2000s). Today's Google has appreciably changed from those days, and yet their likeability has mostly been unaffected. - Google tried to make their lack of focus official by spinning off a corporate umbrella parent…

Rambler (rambler.ru) is more like Yahoo, not Yandex. Like Google, Yandex is more service-oriented, Rambler is more media-oriented. Rambler's numbers are also going down during many-many years, like Yahoo's. It alsotruggling from crazy rotations of C managers each few years during last ~15 years

Like for Google, the main revenue stream for Yandex is also ads – they have >50% in market share in Russia, context ads network and RTB. With good Partner Network accepting websites. From recent products, Yandex.Taxi is a huge success, also taking leadership on Russian market, beating Uber and Gett. So with strong leadership in search, ads and young taxi markets in Russia it doesn't even close to Yahoo in comparison, it's definitely "Russian Google".

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by maddiez »

johansch wrote: post #128
bobuk wrote: post #112

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Nope, both salaries and bonuses (even on C level) is too low in Russia to hide any amount of bribe in them. Anyway, I never heard about bribes for electricity for last 5 years in Russia.

I think you're an advanced version of a putinbot :).

He's an employee of Yandex, well-known in the Russian dev community.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by maddiez »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #28
johansch wrote: post #18

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They moved most of their hosting to Amsterdam (and Stockholm?) 2-3 years ago, I heard. Since then the founder has been forced out by Putin, so I guess it might be back in Moscow now though. (Haven't really had any semi-inside information for the past year.)

It was the Vkontakte founder, Pavel Durov, that was forced out. Yandex hasn't had any notable public conflicts with the Putin regime.

Putin himself verbally attacked in 2014 [1]

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-04-25/how-putin...

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by threeseed »

igivanov wrote: post #161
rjeli wrote: post #73

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Please take a look at the Human Rights Watch reports[0] for USA, China and Russia. I honestly wonder how you can reach such a conclusion about freedom of expression and human rights in those countries. [0] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016

You don't need to look there, at all. Just look at the US aggressive wars and subversive activities in this century, e.g. Iraq, Libya and it becomes clear that the value of human rights abroad from the US point of view is exactly 0.

Iraq was a disgrace but bringing up Libya means you are either ignorant or being disingenuous. Gaddafi had imminent plans to commit another cleansing of the opposition. It was always going to be a lose-lose situation for human rights. Doing nothing is not always the right answer.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by threeseed »

tajen wrote: post #113
jorgecastillo wrote: post #83

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I don't think you can lump Russia and China together. China is truly "on lower moral/ethical grounds". I can't trust any country that has such pervasive censorship policy and such blatantly protectionist policies as China. Frankly I trust the Russian government as much as I trust the US government or as much as I trust my government (the Mexican government). I don't think I would feel safe living in China! I wouldn't…

What about a country which has one forth of the China population which has institutional rules about the police being able to seize the money you carry, your money on cards you carry and your car without even charging you with an offense, where 6% of the black population is in jail, and 1% of the total population, and where you can be routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or if you play poker at home or ac…

Routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or playing poker ?

You completely invalidate any point you had when you resort to ridiculous hyperbole.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by mainguy »

y4mi wrote: post #153
joesmo wrote: post #122

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The parent is talking only about surveillance, but from the report you linked, it's pretty obvious the US, Russia, and China, are pretty much in the same horrific boat as far as human rights abuses. Actually, I'd say the US, with 2.37 million people behind bars is worse than either China or Russia or any other country currently on earth. When you're systematically ruining that many lives, you're in Nazi territory.

i hope you're kidding or trolling. the current situation with incarcerations in america sounds horrible, yes, but its a far cry from systematically eradicating millions of people per year...

Exactly!, I mean for sure slavery is not so bad too if you treat the slaves nicely right? Systematically enslaving them is also a far cry from eradicating them right?

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by spydum »

elmigranto wrote: post #139
syncsynchalt wrote: post #130

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10 man-years are not though. I'm a postgres fan and booster myself but I'd need a good reason to migrate a data backend on any project I'm managing.

> 10 man-years are not though. Judging by the salaries from job sites and my yandex interview, the cost would most certainly top up at $0.5 million (that's a very generous guess, probably half or two thirds that, realistically). Not sure how much Oracle costs at Yandex scale (a LOT more?).

Am I missing something? How do you figure 10 man years = $500K ? Or is Yandex super stingy? DBAs and Developers worth their salt (who could pull off a multi-TB migration/etc without significant outage), would easily each go for $140K/yr minimum (so, 180-200K fully loaded with benefits and such).

Still though: your point is valid in that, Oracle RAC cluster licensing and support is serious bucks.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by vithlani »

postila wrote: post #91
tremon wrote: post #79

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The US just uses different words, such as "campaign financing", or "creative accounting".

Go on and try offering "campaign financing", or "creative accounting" to a policeman stopped you for speeding somewhere in California. Don't forget to record it on your smartphone. In Russia, literally ANY road policeman not only takes bribes, but has a bag of tricks how to get more from you. Unfortunately it's well-known to me, from my own experience. (10+ years of driving on Russian roads, 4+ in California)

Hahah.... So you had to ask them permission "to show some respect" ?
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