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Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by igivanov »

rjeli wrote: post #73
the_common_man wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.

Please take a look at the Human Rights Watch reports[0] for USA, China and Russia. I honestly wonder how you can reach such a conclusion about freedom of expression and human rights in those countries. [0] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016

You don't need to look there, at all. Just look at the US aggressive wars and subversive activities in this century, e.g. Iraq, Libya and it becomes clear that the value of human rights abroad from the US point of view is exactly 0.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by acdha »

randomnerdiness wrote: post #117
twic wrote: post #111

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Actually, i was thinking more of the upsides to Postgres - apologies for not being clear.

I thought you were already a huge Postgres advocate? Or do you mean 'upsides to postgres that appeals to heavy oracle sites'? /edit Perhaps that wasn't you... So #1 benefit of Postgres for Oracle shops is transition cost. It's cheaper than Oracle (by sometimes substantial amounts), and relatively painless to switch to. A lot of code can move unmodified, all the same platforms, and often even the same teams of folks i…

What's Oracle's patch deployment strategy now? The last time I had to deal with it was around 2008, when a security update was a tarball with a README file telling you which files to copy where. I've heard it's improved considerably since then.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by _rc2w »

rjeli wrote: post #73
the_common_man wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I always find it amusing when people find russia and china on a lower moral/ethical ground when everything on american soil is equally watched and processed. if not by nsa, it's for ads.

Please take a look at the Human Rights Watch reports[0] for USA, China and Russia. I honestly wonder how you can reach such a conclusion about freedom of expression and human rights in those countries. [0] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016

As someone who resides in the USA, I'd rather China or Russia have access to my data, regardless of any abuse of human rights. Unlike the US, they're extremely limited in how they can use my data to harm me.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by randomnerdiness »

acdha wrote: post #162
randomnerdiness wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you were already a huge Postgres advocate? Or do you mean 'upsides to postgres that appeals to heavy oracle sites'? /edit Perhaps that wasn't you... So #1 benefit of Postgres for Oracle shops is transition cost. It's cheaper than Oracle (by sometimes substantial amounts), and relatively painless to switch to. A lot of code can move unmodified, all the same platforms, and often even the same teams of folks i…

What's Oracle's patch deployment strategy now? The last time I had to deal with it was around 2008, when a security update was a tarball with a README file telling you which files to copy where. I've heard it's improved considerably since then.

Not a ton different, if you've used OPatch already. Basically it copies around files, runs a bunch of perl, runs a bunch of sql, and then you run the usual patch upgrade scripts at the end. The in-place patching is safer and smoother in 12c than it was in 11g, but the cumulative patching has really gotten out of hand.

For example - on a QA system we were running a couple of custom one-off patches delivered by Oracle Support. These blew up the entire patch process. I had to stop, back them out, re-patch, then re-apply the one-off patches.

Oh, and 12c is a seriously whiny bitch about XDB. Just for added fun.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by agopaul »

dubcanada wrote: post #120
zuron7 wrote: post #44

Yandex.Mail provides custom domain E-Mails for free, the only large company to do so and not to mention how good it is.

zoho offers free custom domain email hosting. It's also surprisingly good, the UI/integration between the pieces is very well done.

Zoho is OK, but I wouldn't call it great. Huge delays happen from time to time.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by oneloop »

niftich wrote: post #42
oneloop wrote: post #21

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Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.

A few things: - There are a lot of Googlers on HN, not so many Yandex-ers - Google, in the general public's minds, is buoyed by positive mindshare that was generated a very, very long time ago (early-to-mid-2000s). Today's Google has appreciably changed from those days, and yet their likeability has mostly been unaffected. - Google tried to make their lack of focus official by spinning off a corporate umbrella parent…

I agree with you, and add that to a russian, the leader is yandex, not google. Now, I'm not saying that it's all relative, google is objectively be a better company in most respects. But in terms of the mindshare that you talk about, yandex beats google in russia.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by oneloop »

untog wrote: post #45
alexro wrote: post #40

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Would Snowden agree with you?

That's actually a very interesting question. I don't know. And I doubt he is currently in a position to be very frank and honest about it.

There you go with your anti-russian bullshit again. Snowden talks shit about russia as well all the time. Why wouldn't he? Because putin comes and kill him, right?

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by quirkafleeg »

oneloop wrote: post #33
jorgecastillo wrote: post #24

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For starters it's not very crowded on usernames, so I got to use my 'namelastname' as username, also I don't think I've seen any ads so far. Another aspect of the service I really like, is that it has less magic than Gmail. I always get email labeled wrong in Gmail. At first I tried to label them properly and expected Google to get them right over time, now I don't bother. I would definitely pay for this service if t…

> Another aspect of the service I really like, is that it has less magic than Gmail. I always get email labeled wrong in Gmail. At first I tried to label them properly and expected Google to get them right over time, now I don't bother. While I never tried yandex's email, I do share the impression that gmail is too magical and shouldn't be labelling my emails outside of the explicitly rules that i have set. > To be f…

> Russia was unfortunate that communism had a successful revolution, so they are currently some 30 years behind culturally :-/

That "unfortunate" revolution took Russia from the feudal age into the nuclear age in a single generation, so without it they'd presumably be about 100 years behind the USA.

This may explain why your negative opinion of the USSR/communism is not necessarily shared by Russians.

The most popular leaders of the 20th century, as voted by Russians, are Brezhnev, Lenin and Stalin, while the most unpopular are Gorbachev and Yeltsin, responsible for the collapse and break up of the USSR.

Only a rigged and unfair election prevented the Communist Party leader being elected president by the people of Russia in 1996, after they had experienced the joys of several years of capitalism.

In 2016, a quarter of a century after the breakup of the USSR (which happened against the express wishes of the Soviet people), the Communist Party is still the second most popular party in Russia, and most Russians (as demonstrated in repeated polls) would like to see the restoration of the USSR.

As for Yandex, the founder started in business in the USSR, and he is not Russian.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by dragonwriter »

quirkafleeg wrote: post #168
oneloop wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another aspect of the service I really like, is that it has less magic than Gmail. I always get email labeled wrong in Gmail. At first I tried to label them properly and expected Google to get them right over time, now I don't bother. While I never tried yandex's email, I do share the impression that gmail is too magical and shouldn't be labelling my emails outside of the explicitly rules that i have set. > To be f…

> Russia was unfortunate that communism had a successful revolution, so they are currently some 30 years behind culturally :-/ That "unfortunate" revolution took Russia from the feudal age into the nuclear age in a single generation, so without it they'd presumably be about 100 years behind the USA. This may explain why your negative opinion of the USSR/communism is not necessarily shared by Russians. The most popula…

> The most popular leaders of the 20th century, as voted by Russians, are Brezhnev, Lenin and Stalin, while the most unpopular are Gorbachev and Yeltsin, responsible for the collapse and break up of the USSR.

Brezhnev is more responsible for the collapse of the USSR than either Gorbachev or Yeltsin (or anyone else, except maybe Yuri Andropov.) Oh, sure, he was dead and the other two were around when it happened, but it was his intervention in Afghanistan that essentially sealed the fate of the USSR.

Re: Yandex.Mail's successful migration from Oracle to Postgres [pdf]

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

_rc2w wrote: post #163
rjeli wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please take a look at the Human Rights Watch reports[0] for USA, China and Russia. I honestly wonder how you can reach such a conclusion about freedom of expression and human rights in those countries. [0] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016

As someone who resides in the USA, I'd rather China or Russia have access to my data, regardless of any abuse of human rights. Unlike the US, they're extremely limited in how they can use my data to harm me.

The problem is that they can sell your data to someone more interested in targeting you specifically. If that happens within the US there is a means to litigate the guilty parties. Outside, you're SOL.
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