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>>...fer instance: "Here's what 10$ an hour looks like! Had to put in my 2 weeks." And pretty much every reply is "I make way more than that, what are you thinking??" I'd imagine the guy either doesn't know how to show up consistently and on-time, or has such a severe lack of social skills that he can't properly interview for a job. If you can weld like that and can't find a job making more than $10/hr you are doing…
> "I make way more than that, what are you thinking??" Way more than that being $30/hour = $60K per year.
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#232Part of the problem is that the last few generations have been told the same thing: blue collar jobs aren't "good" jobs. You need to go to college so you can get a "good" job sitting at a desk because those other jobs are below you. If you take one of those blue collar jobs then you've failed and aren't "achieving your potential". The grand irony in all of this is that the people who did go on to become plumbers, ele…
> The grand irony in all of this is that the people who did go on to become plumbers, electricians, mechanics, roofers, HVAC specialists, etc, are all the ones that are currently in huge demand. Huge demand? Not in the US. Trades salary growth has been flat.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>When the Fed could just poof more money into existence? I hope you realize it doesn't quite work like that.
Right. "Buying 0 interest treasuries" is what the Bank of Japan calls it.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-14/the-tokyo-...
That's right. The Bank Of Japan is printing money to prop of the value of top companies trading on Japan's exchange. Think about the macroeconomic causes and consequences of that.
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#234Should it be the individual receiving the education (either at present, or in the future in the form of loans), or other people? Should people who don't go to college be forced to pay for education of those who do?
Should we further tell students not to care what price colleges charge them? If we forgive debt, we're telling students to go to a school regardless of the costs, and telling schools to charge whatever they want.
We're then forcing non-college-educated plumbers to pay (through the tax system) for the engineers college education.
This seems like a terrible idea.
I also see a huge problem with lumping all education together. There are some colleges, degrees and people where college can be considered a wise investment. That is, the expected value of the degree is more than the cost. There are other times when it appears college is a consumption expense, like just buying a four year vacation or a luxury car.
When someone graduates college with the same productive capacity they had before college, but now with debt, that's sad to me. Working at $10 an hour in a coffee shop isn't that bad. Working at $10 an hour with $50k in debt is very bad. Many times people were just 18 year olds who were handed a blank check (loan) for college, and didn't know better. But there was no checks or balances on this ignorant 18 year old, as the lenders dont care that the student was not increasing their productive capacity.
What we need is a system with no lender guarantees, with potential for percent of income repayment (earning equity), and have it be unsecured like other forms of debt. This will make lenders function properly, and only give loans to those who it believes are improving their human potential at college- and for whom college isn't the equivalent as buying a $100k luxury car.
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#235The only recent grads (within 5 years) with student debt in my circles who could afford and have bought a house recently are: 1. Doctor & Finance couple with combined income $400,000+/year 2. Pharmacist & Finance couple with combined income $200,000+/year 3. Science Research & Quant(finance) couple with combined income $300,000+/year Interestingly - all have finance or medical field/science exposure.. The rest are re…
Location, Location, Location: $124/mo, 840 sq. ft: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1204-Via-Seville-Cathedral... $93/mo, 1190 sq. ft: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/617-NW-8th-Ave-UNIT-11-Mil... $70/mo, 832 sq. ft: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1745-35th-St-NW-Winter-Hav... $72/mo: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8528-Highland-Ave-Kansas-C... $92/mo, 2302 sq. ft.: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/122-Chey…
"Sold as is-where is-no disclosures available-Seller has had no knowledge of property-no representations made as to a warranty-habitability,marketability.express or implied."
I guarantee you that the seller _DOES_ have a knowledge of the property, and that's why it's only $19,500.
And in real estate, where flowery language is the name of the game, the above is coded language for: "Bulldoze it and build" (come on, "no guarantee of habitability"?)
Likewise, your place in PA - did you look at the photos? There are entire exterior walls covered with (torn) Tyvek and tarps. There are unfinished walls, roofs and floors.
Another, a cinder block hoarder dwelling that is missing multiple windows.
I get that you're trying to make a point, but you're also picking out not just low end locations, but houses that are in some cases quite possibly condemned, or should be.
Only two of those looked remotely habitable (and not a matter of pleasantness, I mean from a health and/or safety perspective).
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Educatuion is a public good. We all benefit when society is highly educated. The benefits might not be obtained at an individual level. That is, there will be some people whose education does not end up benefitting us all.
If you want to claim education has positive externalities, then make that case. But that's a little hard to square with BenElgar's idea that subsidizing some degrees more than others is "damaging". His comment argued nothing about externalities. After all, if it turns out that the public external benefits of a physics degree exceed those of a women's studies degree, then the former should be subsidized but not the la…
I don't believe one can really quantize which degree has more public benefits. Some benefits are hidden, in the sense that their benefit isn't so readily recognizable. The benefits of an educated populace are manifest and, I believe, clearly worth the expense of public financial support.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Educatuion is a public good. We all benefit when society is highly educated. The benefits might not be obtained at an individual level. That is, there will be some people whose education does not end up benefitting us all.
If you want to claim education has positive externalities, then make that case. But that's a little hard to square with BenElgar's idea that subsidizing some degrees more than others is "damaging". His comment argued nothing about externalities. After all, if it turns out that the public external benefits of a physics degree exceed those of a women's studies degree, then the former should be subsidized but not the la…
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Blue collar employment has been falling in this country, replaced by either knowledge work -- which usually requires further education -- or service industry jobs. If there were truly huge demand for many of these professions, pay would be skyrocketing, encouraging more and more people to go into these professions. I agree that there are and will continue to be good skilled trade jobs and many people would be better…
I've seen welders making $160k/year in Texas (oil), BUT the caveat is that its 1 welder whereas 20 years ago that 1 guy had 3 coworkers.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Schools can charge a lot because other people pay a lot. As individual you cannot single-handedly decide to pay less. Compared to Europe the education system in the US looks like a system that is trying to get as much money out of young adults as possible rather than getting as many people as possible an affordable education.
There are vast differences in the cost and benefits of different degrees. Nobody forces you to go to an expensive, low-benefit university. In fact, there are lots of free calculators which will show you the expected earnings and cost of different degrees. You can single-handedly decide to go to a cheap community college for the first 2 years.
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#240Am I the only one who hates the notion of being forced to pay for other people's bad financial decisions? I made the choice to go to a slightly less prestigious school so I wouldn't have to go into debt for college. I also worked all through college to pay for my expenses. Should I now be punished for that decision? Why should we make people's financial mistakes consequence-free? I think the government should get out…
TL;DR The health of the economy is more important than your moral high ground. Same reason we let people walk away from homes (or not walk away, simply not be able to afford them), but we'll still give them a mortgage 3 years after their foreclosure; the economy needs the monetary velocity to survive.
Will the economy be more healthy? I see little evidence for the assertion. It's possible the damage done by all that debt cancellation will be greater than any benefit.