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Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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Re: Facebook is imposing American censorship on the rest of the world

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kinkdr wrote: post #174
BlackFly wrote: post #115

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Much like the dichotomy between violence and obscenity which is the subject of the article, the public and private distinction on the ethics of censorship is extremely American. Consider, a "privately" owned company that opens its doors to the public is absolutely not allowed to refuse to serve someone on the basis of their skin color. The fact is that when you open your service to the general public then you are no…

Regulation is one solution with a lot of problems. A much better solution is switching to an open alternative.

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Post by iThrowA1 »

pessimizer wrote: post #206
kinkdr wrote: post #174

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Regulation is one solution with a lot of problems. A much better solution is switching to an open alternative.

No, a better solution is regulation. A personal solution that can be put into action immediately is switching to an open alternative.

We censor censorship cause censorship is bad

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Post by dredmorbius »

nvarsj wrote: post #193
dmix wrote: post #42

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France in the 18-19th century had many smart people who spoke against this type of stuff (everyone loves to quote Voltaire). But modern France has become the absolute counter-point for wishing to have less censorship and centralized social control. So this problem isn't limited to the United States. This is an issue in all modern liberal societies. Big government and centralized control has exploded over the last cen…

It's absurd to think governments grew because of "community complaints". The rise of nation states happened precisely to benefit the megacorps that now exist - to support massive, centrally planned economies and subsidize megacorps that now rule the planet. The gov (or rather, the public, us) have every right to demand certain basic guarantees from these companies that benefit so much from public investment.

That's an exceptionally revisionist history.

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Post by ecnahc515 »

iThrowA1 wrote: post #319
ethanbond wrote: post #312

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It's the specific context around this photo. Vietnam was defined by media presence which was what drove public outrage against the war. Essentially the thesis is this: if Facebook were the dominant media platform during Vietnam, we never would've seen these images; we probably would have continued committing atrocities against civilians and our own soldiers. Seeing as we are now involved in several wars around the wo…

Sure but Facebook isn't preventing the media from showing this, sure if Facebook was our only forum for journalism censorship of things like this would be atrocious. But I don't think facebooks argument is this shouldn't exist but that Facebook isn't a news station and isn't the right forum to share those kind of things. One easy reason is news stations warn about graphic content and are usually watched by adults whe…

Your not allowed to have Facebook if your under 18 iirc, even if that's not enforced heavily.

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Post by torkable »

I always get a kick at how people that use facebook seem to have this idea that EVERYONE uses facebook ALL THE TIME.

I haven't used facebook in probably 10 years and I just have to chuckle at this "facebook is editing our history" and "facebook is imposing American ideals on the whole world" crap. Is it really? Is there another option? Is there any other place to get your world fucking news other than fucking facebook? lol

If you don't like having "American ideals" "imposed" on you, stop fucking using an American social media site to consume world news you tits. OMG an American social media company is acting like its run by a bunch of Americans!?!?! RABBLE RABBLE! IT HAS TO STOP

Oh and get a real fucking history book, jesus.

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Post by khedoros »

iThrowA1 wrote: post #320
khedoros wrote: post #183

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> In what sense? Legally they are, they act like one so I am not sure in practice what makes that distinct. Facebook, Inc. is a publicly traded company. An example of a private company would be Dell Technologies.

Step 1) become facebooks majority shareholder. Step 2) do whatever you want with their censorship policy. Publicly traded companies are still private in the sense of ownership, their publicly traded because anyone can buy that private ownership, but until you do (and a lot of it) Facebook doesn't have any obligation to put what you want or don't want on their site. I still agree that their censorship policy is ridicu…

> I suggest you find a better forum cause imho fb just sucks in general

"Better", for what I use Facebook for, is equivalent to "has more people that I know". I don't expect much from it, and I get what I expect.

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Post by skrebbel »

kakarot wrote: post #309
skrebbel wrote: post #81

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Whoa buddy, that's some pretty limited free market regulation thinking. There's plenty of laws that only apply on certain companies, after n employees or x revenue. Should be pretty feasible to devise a law that applies to sites with more than n active users such as Facebook and twitter and the likes and not to your neighborhood forum.

Why is is the government's job at all to regulate this? Are you a fan of big government putting its hands all over everything?

As a European with pretty mainstream European political ideas, yes.

In related news, guess why my internet is fast and affordable.

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Post by flukus »

joshuaheard wrote: post #11

Maybe it's time to consider Facebook, Twitter, et al, as common carriers, which, under the new net neutrality law, would disallow them from censoring content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier#Telecommunicati...

Maybe it's time we go back to the decentralized internet we had 15/20 years ago.

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Post by nzjrs »

John23832 wrote: post #295
nzjrs wrote: post #249

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> You really can't judge > when removed from the > instance and context that > -action happened in... Sure you can. Rape, murder, slavery, that sort of thing.

But you really can't. I can stand here today and say that chattel slavery in the antebelum was wrong. But I'm saying that today, with today's morals. Time machine back to the 1840's, the moral landscape is much different, and slavery is accepted. There's even moral justification for it. Standing here in 2016 I can see that that justification is bunk, but back then it stood. It's the same issue that researchers run in…

Can't say I agree, but thanks for the discussion.

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Post by iThrowA1 »

chippy wrote: post #80
briandear wrote: post #70

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Americans? How about the British, Mexico, Singapore, China, Japan, Korea, every country in the Middle East except Israel? Then you have a German freak out over even talking about Nazis. Almost every country has some hang up or another. Suggesting that 'Americans' have a fear of nipples is short sighted. Every culture has something that causes a collective freakout.

The difference (that mgleason_3 was saying) is that Americans cannot see that other's have different viewpoints. Other countries are able to see that others have different viewpoints and can justify their own decisions in comparison with others. It's why, for example, they are often puzzled when abroad and note that "some people don't like us Americans" and cannot find out why. I have noticed this particular way of l…

So I'm an American but to be fair I'd like to think I'm one of your acceptions. Personally I agree with you, the female body as a whole is overly sexualized and part of that is making nipples taboo, but Facebook isn't restricting your ability to show your friends pictures of your nipples, or going to a nude beach. To me, their privacy policy is an expression of their own opinion/ideals (or more likely the opinion advertising firms have decided will make them the most money). And while both I have the right to think nipples are nbd and they have the right to say nipples aren't a big deal, I think telling Facebook they must have pictures of nipples on their servers infringes on Facebooks right to freak out about nipples just as Facebook preventing you from making a nipple collage and showing it to all your friends would restict your rights to think nipples are no big deal. It's all good to say anybody should have the right to express whatever they want, but part of that right is to not express things you don't want to.
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