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Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Eh, fruits are the core diet of primates, infact most primates wait for the fruits to start ferment which increases their caloric value while actually reduces the fiber count. Humans have evolved eating sugar just fine, fruits and fermentation were used before we learned to walk, and other sources of sugar including honey were also commonly consumed. You can easily look at the diets of "modern" hunter gatherers and s…

I hope you realize that starch has fed the world only in a post agricultural world. That may be thousands of years, but we spent hundreds of thousands of years living without agriculture. That argument does not hold water. Secondly, eating fruit and eating sugar are two very different things. Fruit has things like nutrients and fiber that is lost in processing, which is likely the root of the disorder. The fiber, for…

I think you should go learn history to understand when we started agriculture.

And even so how starch and simpler sugars played in our diets for the past 150,000 years.

The fruits that primates eat are "processed" they let them ferment this is one of the reasons why like alcohol so much because amongst other things we used it to tell us when the fruit is ready to eat and it's at it's highest caloric value.

We have been refining sugar for about 10,000 years if not longer, we have been using fermentation and other processes to process complex carbs into sugars for even longer.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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I've been on a low carb diet for a couple of months now. Went a tad stricter 3 weeks ago and am currently 11kg down. My bodyfat drastically reduced, my belly disappeared and I am feeling a lot healthier. Problem are the more expensive meat-heavy meals that go so far that I just don't enjoy or want to eat anymore - and of course very easy degeneration of muscle mass if you're not careful. Nevertheless, I'm loving it.…

Many cheess make good alternatives to meat - cheddar, feta, mozzarella, paneer to name a few

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Whether or not you believe in low/no carbs for everyday health, it is uniquely horrifying that the Diabetes association is promoting a high carb diet. Having recently made changes to my own eating, which still includes carbs but at a much less extreme amount, I'm amazed at the differences. I don't have diabetes and the doctors say my blood sugar control is very good, but the energy differences I feel before and after…

> Diet soda, although technically not containing carbs, prompts a similar insulin response to drinking sugared soda Is there any scientific basis for this claim?

I don't have references on hand, but I can tell you that US medical schools are teaching: Artificial sweeteners do not appear to promote as significant an insulin response as digestible sugars do, however they appear to stimulate gluconeogenesis and lipogensis in a similar manner.

In other words, drinking diet soda may not by itself cause problems, but it will stimulate your body to absorb even more of the burger and fries you consumed with the soda (or whatever other metabolites you currently have circulating in your bloodstream).

I'm on mobile now with limited connectivity. I'll try to edit later with a link to a source.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Whether or not you believe in low/no carbs for everyday health, it is uniquely horrifying that the Diabetes association is promoting a high carb diet. Having recently made changes to my own eating, which still includes carbs but at a much less extreme amount, I'm amazed at the differences. I don't have diabetes and the doctors say my blood sugar control is very good, but the energy differences I feel before and after…

Of course they are. People continuing to get diabetes is how they get funding for their organization.

It's amazing how many people are ignorant of this logic, and go around wondering why big companies and governments always seem to be offering band-aids and aspirins, but never cures. :)

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Enough with this dumb Paleo stupidity. Sure you lose weight temporarily. But its not sustainable and greatly reduces your chances of... being alive. Whole-foods plant-based - I know its boring, but there are decades of science behind it. Eat your greens.

The Inuit did pretty well on a diet of whale blubber, so I doubt that fat is a problem. The Italians and French are pretty healthy, and they don't skimp on fats either. However, I do agree that we should all eat more fresh produce.

The French don't skimp on baguettes (= evil heavily processed white bread) either. There's no silver bullet.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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> ... carb free diets work because it's easier to create a caloric deficiency not because you some how can eat 3000 cals of w/e and lose weight. There is much missing / wrong with your logic and assertions - but this one is particularly telling. Are you genuinely asserting that low-carb diets work because ultimately they involve less calorie consumption than a 'conventional' (carb-heavy) diet? If so, this seems entir…

>If so, this seems entirely wrong to me - low-carb diets typically involve the consumption of a greater volume of energy (calories) compared to what your BMR would suggest you need to not gain weight. Eh no, now you are getting into the realm of physics, what happens often are 2 things. Some foods have overstated caloric values this is quite common. Your body doesn't metabolizes some foods at the same rate, especiall…

I feel you are intentionally conflating / confusing the discussion.

For example:

> If you think you can eat say 500-1000 cals over your daily allowance with any diet and not gain weight, man you have really really been sold hard on this.

No one's saying this - at least, the article isn't, and nor am I.

I will say that you can easily eat 500-1000 cals over your daily allowance with a particular diet (notably low-carb) and not gain weight - and that's what you seemed to be arguing against earlier.

I've got 3 years of carefully recorded data that demonstrates this is the case -- but I'm just one of a huge number of people who have proven this out over the years.

So I'm not clear what point you're trying to make.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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I've been on a low carb diet since June. I've lost 30 pounds and my high blood pressure is now gone (I read 97/63 last week). My glucose went from 134 mg/do to 96 in 2 months. A1C from 6.5% to 5.5%. Now normal again. If you've been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes you should try a very low carb diet before anything else. It really seems to work.

Weight loss is a symptom of diabetes, I hope you follow strict medial supervision rather than some diet.

He did. He got blood work.

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This one minute video will save your life. FAT is the cause of type 2 diabetes. Fat in cells stops your body from processing sugar correctly. You need to reduce dietary fat to very low levels and your body will be able to process carbs correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51D07bvlPY

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html The guy on that video is well known by Quackwatch. He is a vegan evangelist, and also teaches that proteins are not required in the diet. It's motivated nonsense.

Speaking of "motivated nonsense". The millions of dollars the meat/dairy industry spends on political campaigns and the revolving door at the NIH might concern you :)

http://qz.com/523255/the-us-meat-industrys-wildly-successful...

Eating a diet based heavily on animal products is almost as stupid as smoking cigarettes. If we didn't have so many wonder drugs keeping people who make bad choices alive, it would be obvious by now. Luckily, drug companies and meat peddlers don't have to worry because the propaganda is working... as evidenced by all of the ignorant comments here.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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This one minute video will save your life. FAT is the cause of type 2 diabetes. Fat in cells stops your body from processing sugar correctly. You need to reduce dietary fat to very low levels and your body will be able to process carbs correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51D07bvlPY

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html The guy on that video is well known by Quackwatch. He is a vegan evangelist, and also teaches that proteins are not required in the diet. It's motivated nonsense.

there is a contingent of vegan proselytizers on hn that always post this stuff when low-carb or keto diets are discussed.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Thank the "low-fat/fat-free" craze for that. Associating dietary fat with body fat has been one of the worse mistakes in "nutrition" in the past decades. Now most "low-fat" food has added carbs to deal with the loss of consistency. And even regular foods (especially in the US) have added sugar.

The sugar free/carb free Atkins diet of the 90s and its modern versions isn't any better. Pretty much any diet which is free of anything should be avoided.

Quite honestly, nothing beats a good caloric deficit. Especially if that caloric deficit is from a strong Paleo Diet like the one I have been using. http://how2loseweightnow.com/2016/09/11/paleo-reboot-diet-be...

What everyone should do, is instead of searching for weight loss tips to go at google and find his daily caloric maintenance, then start eating 500 calories below that with a Paleo Diet and combine all that with a respectable workout program. The fat WILL melt off.

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