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Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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charlesism wrote: post #49
mchmch wrote: post #45

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This one minute video will save your life. FAT is the cause of type 2 diabetes. Fat in cells stops your body from processing sugar correctly. You need to reduce dietary fat to very low levels and your body will be able to process carbs correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51D07bvlPY

Dangerous nonsense. Do you fatten up a goose by feeding it butter, or by feeding it grain? Since America fell in love with a low-fat diet, have Americans become lighter, or heavier?

Americans never fell in love with a low fat diet. Our diet is extremely high in fat and individuals that are obese consume much a much higher amount than average. By very low fat, I am saying reduce saturated fat to near 0 and limit intake of unsaturated fat to 30g or less a day.

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/average-fat-intake-sad-11370...

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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QuercusMax wrote: post #54
mchmch wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one minute video will save your life. FAT is the cause of type 2 diabetes. Fat in cells stops your body from processing sugar correctly. You need to reduce dietary fat to very low levels and your body will be able to process carbs correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51D07bvlPY

That doesn't even make sense at all. Fat stored in cells != Dietary fat. You can gain tons of weight by just eating carbs.

Dietary fat -> Bloodstream -> Cells

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Post by rayiner »

nxc18 wrote: post #21

Whether or not you believe in low/no carbs for everyday health, it is uniquely horrifying that the Diabetes association is promoting a high carb diet. Having recently made changes to my own eating, which still includes carbs but at a much less extreme amount, I'm amazed at the differences. I don't have diabetes and the doctors say my blood sugar control is very good, but the energy differences I feel before and after…

Of course they are. People continuing to get diabetes is how they get funding for their organization.

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Post by eecks »

ng12 wrote: post #46
crispyambulance wrote: post #18

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That's good, but don't make it sound like 3 months of Ketosis is "easier" than a full and strict exercise routine. That's an extraordinarily hard diet to follow.

Says who? I did very strict Paleo and didn't find it that difficult. Remember the saying "abs are made in the kitchen". Working out is fine and good, but if you don't control your diet first you won't get anywhere.

"abs are made in the kitchen" is a silly thing to say. If people just follow it blindly they will be disappointed

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Post by benlambert »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #44
dogma1138 wrote: post #19

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The sugar free/carb free Atkins diet of the 90s and its modern versions isn't any better. Pretty much any diet which is free of anything should be avoided.

People basically evolved without any sugar (fructose) except what they could get in fruit (which was limited and contained fiber). With the sugar islands it became available to people though expensive and volatile in price. With high fructose corn syrup etc. it became a consistent priced commodity with little to no volatility.

Agree but for clarity "people" = "people far from the equator". If your ancestors are from those sugar islands it's a bit different.

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Post by chillwaves »

dogma1138 wrote: post #24
benwr wrote: post #22

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How so?

How so what? A diet that says it's ok to eat a steak but an apple is bad because it has carbs in it? There is nothing wrong with carbs, carb free diets work because it's easier to create a caloric deficiency not because you some how can eat 3000 cals of w/e and lose weight. But in the long run they aren't healthy either try being on a low carb diet and exercise at the same time let me know how it's working for you. E…

Can you post some kind of evidence to support what you are saying? Because I have done keto (under 30g net carb a day until your body enters ketosis) while doing an exercise routine and after the first week or two to adjust, found no problems with energy levels.

The downvotes come because you are making assertions that have no medical support.

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Post by benlambert »

wpietri wrote: post #32
dogma1138 wrote: post #19

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The sugar free/carb free Atkins diet of the 90s and its modern versions isn't any better. Pretty much any diet which is free of anything should be avoided.

I strongly disagree with this: > Pretty much any diet which is free of anything should be avoided. For the couple of years, I've been trying various elimination diets so that I can see what effects particular foods and food groups have on me. Even if I had ended up with exactly the same diet, it would have been worth doing, as I learned a lot about my body and my relationship with food. As it happens, though, I want…

Personal experimentation is great. Try and see instead of following bad science and dogma.

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Post by sctb »

colanderman wrote: post #3

"This" being a low-carb diet. Even NYT stoops to click-baity headlines these days; what is the world coming to.

Thanks, we updated the title from “Before You Spend $26,000 on Weight-Loss Surgery, Do This” to a representative phrase from the article.

Re: Medical guidelines don’t include a diet low in carbohydrates

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Post by sago »

mchmch wrote: post #45
nxc18 wrote: post #21

Whether or not you believe in low/no carbs for everyday health, it is uniquely horrifying that the Diabetes association is promoting a high carb diet. Having recently made changes to my own eating, which still includes carbs but at a much less extreme amount, I'm amazed at the differences. I don't have diabetes and the doctors say my blood sugar control is very good, but the energy differences I feel before and after…

This one minute video will save your life. FAT is the cause of type 2 diabetes. Fat in cells stops your body from processing sugar correctly. You need to reduce dietary fat to very low levels and your body will be able to process carbs correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51D07bvlPY

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html

The guy on that video is well known by Quackwatch. He is a vegan evangelist, and also teaches that proteins are not required in the diet.

It's motivated nonsense.

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Post by sago »

wpietri wrote: post #32
dogma1138 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sugar free/carb free Atkins diet of the 90s and its modern versions isn't any better. Pretty much any diet which is free of anything should be avoided.

I strongly disagree with this: > Pretty much any diet which is free of anything should be avoided. For the couple of years, I've been trying various elimination diets so that I can see what effects particular foods and food groups have on me. Even if I had ended up with exactly the same diet, it would have been worth doing, as I learned a lot about my body and my relationship with food. As it happens, though, I want…

You know that discussion that comes up when people confuse Climate and Weather? Similar thing here.

Dietary recommendations are population level tools for improving health.

Individuals can benefit from taking an engineering approach and figuring out what improves problems they are having.

Which is not to say follow every faddy diet, but just get used to experimenting gradually with your meal planning.

And whatever you find, does not invalidate population studies, any more than snow in your city invalidates global temperature rises.

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