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Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

curried_haskell wrote: post #234
Dirlewanger wrote: post #227

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Absolutely not. Government should have no say what a private entity can/can't do in their walled garden. The fact that over a billion people use it is a different issue.

Absolutely yes. Facebook has more members than entire countries and is the primary method that many of those people use to communicate. It has long surpassed any kind of protected walled garden and government absolutely has a say in how Facebook operates.

Correction: Facebook has more members than nearly all countries have people.

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Post by awinder »

dTal wrote: post #281
visarga wrote: post #260

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> once your platform gets popular enough, the government can tell you what to do with it I'd say there is considerable public interest, yes. Facebook without the users is nothing, but the users without Facebook are the same society, just using another software.

>the users without Facebook are the same society, just using another software When the software shapes your interactions to the degree that Facebook does, I'm not so sure. You don't think Facebook has changed society?

I don't think Facebook has changed society in a way that isn't repeatable. It's a low risk to the system when google+, or any other competitor, could meaningfully take its place given enough pressure.

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Post by DanBC »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #279
jbmorgado wrote: post #235

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"Yes, your honor, but I believe the jury should know what the victim was wearing that night."

Oh please. I am honestly curious. Why is the PM of Norway posting a graphic photograph of the Vietnam War?

A Norwegian newspaper made a post about 7 photos that changed the course of war.

http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/Dear-Mark-I-am-...

> First some background. A few weeks ago the Norwegian author Tom Egeland posted an entry on Facebook about, and including, seven photographs that changed the history of warfare. You in turn removed the picture of a naked Kim Phuc, fleeing from the napalm bombs – one of the world’s most famous war photographs.

> Tom then rendered Kim Phuc’s criticism against Facebook for banning her picture. Facebook reacted by excluding Tom and prevented him from posting a new entry.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

wyager wrote: post #262
zdkl wrote: post #237

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It's astounding so many people defend variants of 'power to the mighty'. Are you so naive you believe you are one of the mighty?

Huh? What are you talking about? I'm defending the right of everyone to be free of excessive government interference, whether it's an individual or a popular company.

But you're totally ok with people having no right to be free of corporate interference?

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Post by btown »

sp332 wrote: post #155
mabbo wrote: post #21

I'm torn. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression mean that the government can't put you in prison or punish you for saying or believing what you do. Facebook aren't the government, they're a private entity and don't have to host anything they don't like- including hosting photos that they don't like. It's a walled garden, and it's their walled garden, and if you don't like it you're welcome to leave. And on the…

We need a Magna Carta for corporations.

And, being written by corporations, it could allow corporations to sue countries if they don't like their IP laws or enforcement policies... oh, wait...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/business/trans-pacific-par...

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by greggyb »

pritambaral wrote: post #211
greggyb wrote: post #105

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The PM's post included the photo. > Erna Solberg, the Conservative prime minister, called on Facebook to “review its editing policy” after it deleted her post voicing support for a Norwegian newspaper that had fallen foul of the social media giant’s guidelines. > Solberg was one of a string of Norwegian politicians who shared the iconic image after Facebook deleted a post from Tom Egeland...,

That doesn't say the post included the photo.

> > Solberg was one of a string of Norwegian politicians who shared the iconic image after Facebook deleted a post from Tom Egeland...,

> > > shared the iconic image

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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by jasonkostempski »

joshmarlow wrote: post #17
jasonkostempski wrote: post #10

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"I find it weird also cause when the word is censored as a viewer you already know that's what the character was meant to say." A feature that can be utilized to make boring dialog really funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhJNwKpS6OU Edit: This just made me realize you can bump G rated content up to PG-13 just by adding beeps and blurs. I bet that's how most reality TV content is generated.

> Edit: This just made me realize you can bump G rated content up to PG-13 just by adding beeps and blurs I can't believe I'm posting this on Hackernews but it actually is relevant - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA

I'm always late to the party but I get there eventually :) I'm curious though, if this were officially release on TV in the modified form would it actually get different rating? If so, it would mean the beeps and blurs themselves are viewed as a form of suggestive dialog.

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Post by vivekd »

mabbo wrote: post #21

I'm torn. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression mean that the government can't put you in prison or punish you for saying or believing what you do. Facebook aren't the government, they're a private entity and don't have to host anything they don't like- including hosting photos that they don't like. It's a walled garden, and it's their walled garden, and if you don't like it you're welcome to leave. And on the…

I understand that facebook is free to decide what content it hosts. But I think deleting a post by the prime minister of Norway is extremely disrespectful to the people of Norway. I am shocked by their behaviour and won't be using their service until they apologize.

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Post by qmalzp »

jlmorton wrote: post #186
jMyles wrote: post #133

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> I can concede that there could be good reasons to pull the photo. Yeah?

Sure. Facebook is not a history book. It's a social network with kids on it. Napalm girl is a powerful photo. So are photos of Aushwitz. So too are photos of trench warfare. Saddam Hussein's hanging is historically important, as are all the images of children killed in Aleppo, or drowned families washing up on shores in Italy. That doesn't mean we need all these things on Facebook. I'm sensitive to censorship, and Fa…

Honestly, many of those things would maybe be okay on Facebook. The subject of this photo in particular was the controversy. From the article...

A Facebook spokeswoman said: “While we recognise that this photo is iconic, it’s difficult to create a distinction between allowing a photograph of a nude child in one instance and not others. We try to find the right balance between enabling people to express themselves while maintaining a safe and respectful experience for our global community."

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