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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Credit card gets stolen - I call bank, they remove charge, and I don't pay until matter is resolved. Debit card gets stolen - All my money is taken out of my bank. I now cannot pay my rent or buy groceries. I tell bank, and they start an investigation. Maybe in 90 days I get my money back. Never ever use a debit online. In fact, don't use in person. Debit cards are fine for ATM to get cash, for anything else use CC.…

You are so right!

In the early days (1960s/1970s), credit card companies welcomed (perhaps even sponsored? I don't remember) the legislated responsibility for risk because it encouraged the uptake of credit cards.

Nowadays, of course, almost everyone has a card and almost every merchant needs to take them. So the card cartels were able to shift part of the burden onto the merchants, and in particular the smaller ones. But not all of it.

Banks managed to evade most of the credit card rules in debit cards. Debit cards are a MUCH better deal for banks (they don't incur interest -- except for overdraw fees, but they also don't carry ANY of the protections credit cards do).

> Never ever use a debit online. In fact, don't use in person. Debit cards are fine for ATM to get cash, for anything else use CC. (Plus CC gives you 2% cash back if you shop wise, that is huge).

As an alternative: if you can get a credit card at all, just get one. You don't need to worry about "benefits" (cash rebates, miles or whatever, just get one that doesn't charge you an annual fee.

When you buy something online or swipe, send the CC come any a check that same day. There's no rule saying you have to pay them only when you get a bill. If you do this you'll never accrue interest.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit card gets stolen - I call bank, they remove charge, and I don't pay until matter is resolved. Debit card gets stolen - All my money is taken out of my bank. I now cannot pay my rent or buy groceries. I tell bank, and they start an investigation. Maybe in 90 days I get my money back. Never ever use a debit online. In fact, don't use in person. Debit cards are fine for ATM to get cash, for anything else use CC.…

Using your credit card for everything is a great way to find yourself deeply in debt. It's (intentionally!) easy to overspend when using a credit card, and end up carrying a balance. Also many people (like me) don't have good enough credit to get a fancy-pants 2% back credit card. I personally use a Simple card for spending and only transfer spending money to it weekly - helps keep spending in check and limits my los…

> Using your credit card for everything is a great way to find yourself deeply in debt. It's (intentionally!) easy to overspend when using a credit card, and end up carrying a balance.

The first rule of using credit cards for fun and profit is to never carry a balance. Ever.

Now, there is an exception to this rule, on the following conditions (all must apply):

1. You do not pay any interest (yes, possible, many cards have promotions, especially store/brand cards)

2. The purchase is for a very long-term item, like major electronic appliance or a alike, that you will be using for several years at least.

3. Due to some circumstances you couldn't foresee you could not save for the purchase upfront and you absolutely need it right now - e.g., you refrigerator suddenly died and you need a new one ASAP.

4. You know and calculated the monthly payment which allows you to pay off the whole sum in a year or less (and of course before promotional no-interest period expires), and this monthly payment is less than what you would be able to save if (3) did not apply. If this rule is not true, you can not afford it, look for a cheaper alternative. Also, never pay just a minimum payment, this is a trap.

Credit card balance is a loan, and these rules are a way to make it into a cheap loan. But be careful - it's like a can of gasoline, can be very handy to get you into places you want to be if you handle it right, but handle it wrong and you can end up badly burned or worse.

If you follow these rules, you can use credit card with relative safety, as even if you overspend one month, you'll have to cut back next month to pay for it. Also improves your credit score :) But if you notice you can't use it without carrying a balance - don't use it at all.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit card gets stolen - I call bank, they remove charge, and I don't pay until matter is resolved. Debit card gets stolen - All my money is taken out of my bank. I now cannot pay my rent or buy groceries. I tell bank, and they start an investigation. Maybe in 90 days I get my money back. Never ever use a debit online. In fact, don't use in person. Debit cards are fine for ATM to get cash, for anything else use CC.…

Using your credit card for everything is a great way to find yourself deeply in debt. It's (intentionally!) easy to overspend when using a credit card, and end up carrying a balance. Also many people (like me) don't have good enough credit to get a fancy-pants 2% back credit card. I personally use a Simple card for spending and only transfer spending money to it weekly - helps keep spending in check and limits my los…

This is of course a YMMV type situation.

Personally, not having things like Simple around for the ~20 years I've been living on my own, I already have a system of budgeting (Python+SQLite for the last few years) and zero impulse buying habits outside a greasy lunch from my favorite food cart now and then.

So for me, putting mortgage, utils, and food on the CC and pay it off with my first check of the month works just fine. And I don't have to switch financial providers.

Especially hesitant seeing they're owned by a multinational bank with a dubious history. My local CU seems much more approachable and personable, despite Simple's trendy "human" branding.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

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It's not just bad business practice. At the company I work at, our anecdotal experience with Sonicwall products has just been shitty. You buy a router and you still need to pay extra to activate advanced features. What a shitty product. In contrast, we bought a whole bunch of Mikrotik's RouterBoards, they're really inexpensive and come with really powerful features that you don't need to pay extra for. We're starting…

Mikrotiks are remarkably powerful if you have knowledge and are willing and able to configure them properly. They are rock-solid routers with a great feature set, and we use them at almost all of our customers (except ones where we still haven't replaced older routers).

Sonicwalls have a comparable feature set for hardware and basic networking, but also add the ability to do some UTM on the device - things like content filtering, antivirus, etc. for traffic passing through. There's nothing comparable that I've ever heard of on the Mikrotiks.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Credit card gets stolen - I call bank, they remove charge, and I don't pay until matter is resolved. Debit card gets stolen - All my money is taken out of my bank. I now cannot pay my rent or buy groceries. I tell bank, and they start an investigation. Maybe in 90 days I get my money back. Never ever use a debit online. In fact, don't use in person. Debit cards are fine for ATM to get cash, for anything else use CC.…

My debit card is a Visa with the same protections as a credit card, and in the rare cases where I've had fraudulent charges, I was granted an immediate temporary credit back of the funds, which was made permanent upon the completion of the investigation.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using your credit card for everything is a great way to find yourself deeply in debt. It's (intentionally!) easy to overspend when using a credit card, and end up carrying a balance. Also many people (like me) don't have good enough credit to get a fancy-pants 2% back credit card. I personally use a Simple card for spending and only transfer spending money to it weekly - helps keep spending in check and limits my los…

> Using your credit card for everything is a great way to find yourself deeply in debt. It's (intentionally!) easy to overspend when using a credit card, and end up carrying a balance. The first rule of using credit cards for fun and profit is to never carry a balance. Ever. Now, there is an exception to this rule, on the following conditions (all must apply): 1. You do not pay any interest (yes, possible, many cards…

> But if you notice you can't use it without carrying a balance - don't use it at all.

That was literally my entire point :-)

I have no doubt that many people have this figured out, but my point is that 'use your credit card for everything always' isn't necessarily good advice for everyone.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

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post #26

It's not just bad business practice. At the company I work at, our anecdotal experience with Sonicwall products has just been shitty. You buy a router and you still need to pay extra to activate advanced features. What a shitty product. In contrast, we bought a whole bunch of Mikrotik's RouterBoards, they're really inexpensive and come with really powerful features that you don't need to pay extra for. We're starting…

What are you running on the Mikrotiks? Monowall? pfSense?

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

#49
post #26

It's not just bad business practice. At the company I work at, our anecdotal experience with Sonicwall products has just been shitty. You buy a router and you still need to pay extra to activate advanced features. What a shitty product. In contrast, we bought a whole bunch of Mikrotik's RouterBoards, they're really inexpensive and come with really powerful features that you don't need to pay extra for. We're starting…

Paying for "active" features is pretty standard in enterprise though, especially since Meraki took off. It's all a product-as-service game. A lot of Enterprise companies are moving towards making the hardware free if you sign for the long term service packages.

Re: “Sonicwall products are not returnable”

#50

This would be illegal in the EU. The US needs better consumer protection laws.

Nope, this wouldn't be illegal in the EU. Consumer protection law is a consumer protection law -- meant for when you buy stuff as a person . If you however buy stuff as a business entity consumer law do not apply, so you are just as fucked as the person who made the pastebin. This is also why the likes of Dell and HP sell business services and these services don't come cheap (and when you don't get them and your serv…

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