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Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by ythl »

hga wrote: post #32
kybernetyk wrote: post #25

Why should the PM be treated differently than anyone else? Just because she's the PM? FB has any right to remove whatever they want from their private property.

I'm starting to get tired of making this point in some of the many discussions of this topic (most recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12457371 ), so the last time for a month, I swear: You tell me when I can open a segregated lunch counter, or refuse to bake a gay wedding cake, and I'll consider your argument to have merit. Otherwise, it's only a matter of time until Facebook and company are brought to hee…

I still don't understand the gay wedding cake argument.

If I'm a baker, why can't I refuse to make certain cakes? I mean, I would never turn away a customer, but if the customer asked me to write obscene things on the cake, don't I have the right to refuse their request?

"I'd like to have a rainbow cake" "ok" "with little penises sticking out of it for my gay wedding" "no, sorry."

What's wrong with that? It's no different from refusing a straight man's request to have a cake with the outline of a nude woman on it.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by andrewclunn »

Dear Norway,

The US governments make us legally complicit in child pornography if we don't have automated processes to take this stuff down. People keep blaming corporations for censorship of porn-like (but not porn) content, song lyrics that get mistaken for terrorist threats, and overly zealous take downs of anything that might infringe on IP. Do you think we want our users to get angry at us over this shit? Look at the US child porn laws, the numerous governments spying under the banner of the war on terror, and laws like the DMCA. Our hands are tied and you are blaming the wrong people.

- Facebook

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by justsaysmthng »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #28

If you're a Facebook user and you are unhappy with the way the company strongarms, censors and manipulates its audience, the most effective way for you to express this dissatisfaction is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same. Facebook doesn't care how you feel when you use their service; their bottom line simply depends on your contribution to the statisti…

> is to close your account, block social media bugs and encourage your friends and family to do the same.

Much easier said than done.

First, there is no way to 'close' your account - you can only 'deactivate' it.

I did it in July, but then I noticed that a lot of social activities - like concerts, festivals, parties, etc, are organised using Facebook so if you're not on it, you can't participate.

This is very frustrating and wrong, but that's what the world does.

I personally think that Facebook is breaking the Internet and we're just starting to see the first signs of the bad things to come out of it.

Back to account 'deactivation' - if you log in to your deactivated account, Facebook conveniently 'reactivates' your account automatically, so you can't just log in to look at your data, which of course is not yours and is the currency which Facebook exchanges for real cash.

Telling friends and family to do the same is useless - most don't care even for 1 second about 'privacy' or things like that.

So 'closing' your account is more than just stopping to use a web application. It's a lifestyle choice - do you want to stay secluded, excluded from a lot of social activities and considered an 'introverted loner' or do you go with the flow and get trapped more and more into this social experiment ...

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by maxxxxx »

Noos wrote: post #11
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.

Um, plenty of violence is deemed inappropriate. I doubt much of USA broadcast TV even comes close to a hard R rating. I'd also point out that Italy in particular has had little problem with making hyper-violent content like giallo movies, in addition to showing copious nudity, and Norway has quite a few violent horror films under their belt. It's more broadcast standards originally prevented anything, nudity or extre…

You may be right. It's just interesting that on Sunday afternoon they have no problem showing movies where the hero kills dozens of people with pleasure but even the slightest hint of nudity or swear words is not OK.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by kyriakos »

Noos wrote: post #29
kyriakos wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the censorship of a few spoken words on TV while showing gore and other violent scenes are not a problem. I find it weird also cause when the word is censored as a viewer you already know that's what the character was meant to say.

Gore is a problem, yeesh. The whole "americans love violence" is overrated. The love of violence is a worldwide thing. Not like John Woo, Dario Argento, or Takashi Miike are american.

i didnt say Americans love violence. my point is that if your tv show is targeted to adults (due to its violent nature for example) then how is allowing those words uncensored a problem?

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by [deleted] »

objclxt wrote: post #59
ythl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah because all of Europe sucks at making good web tech for some reason. Seriously - look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites Edit: Downvote all you want. I'll redact my statement if someone can show me that Europe does not suck at making web tech. But you can't, because Europe is not competitive in the web tech…

> look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1] Did you actually read that link before you posted it? On that list there are sites hosted by companies based in Cyprus (xHamster), the Netherlands (booking.com), Poland (onet.pl, xnxx), and the UK (BBC). It may surprise you to learn that all of those countries are, in fact, in Europe.

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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by untog »

794CD01 wrote: post #60
red_admiral wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see a difference between encouraging you to petition your member of parliament, and encouraging you to assassinate someone. To start with, one of the two options is legal.

Encouraging your MP to violate human rights is only vacuously legal if it is at all.

What human rights are being violated in this scenario, exactly?

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by ythl »

objclxt wrote: post #59
ythl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah because all of Europe sucks at making good web tech for some reason. Seriously - look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites Edit: Downvote all you want. I'll redact my statement if someone can show me that Europe does not suck at making web tech. But you can't, because Europe is not competitive in the web tech…

> look at the top 100 websites in the world; not a single one produced by Europe[1] Did you actually read that link before you posted it? On that list there are sites hosted by companies based in Cyprus (xHamster), the Netherlands (booking.com), Poland (onet.pl, xnxx), and the UK (BBC). It may surprise you to learn that all of those countries are, in fact, in Europe.

BBC and Onet are not in the top 100, but sure, I'll give you the other 2.

2 out of the top 100 come from Europe. Good job.

Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates

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Post by DanBC »

tdb7893 wrote: post #12
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.

To be fair it is child nudity in this case, which has different legal ramifications in some situations. Also the views on nudity vary a lot from person to person in the US.

This image doesn't even get caught by the UK filters, which tend to be pretty strict on images of child nudity.
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