I honestly think it was an algorithm that flagged it.
Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
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Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#32Why should the PM be treated differently than anyone else? Just because she's the PM? FB has any right to remove whatever they want from their private property.
I'm starting to get tired of making this point in some of the many discussions of this topic (most recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12457371), so the last time for a month, I swear:
You tell me when I can open a segregated lunch counter, or refuse to bake a gay wedding cake, and I'll consider your argument to have merit. Otherwise, it's only a matter of time until Facebook and company are brought to heel under that sort of "public accommodation" approach.
See also mabbo's well thought out comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12462031
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#33I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.
I find that violence doesn't really feel real to most Americans, and I think one of the main causes of this is that the US is so isolated from world events. WWII, Vietnam, etc. all happened "out there somewhere", and aren't really considered by those who didn't actively participate. Veterans of such conflicts are acknowledged as being deeply affected, but the rest of the populace effectively shrugs as if to say "sorr…
The way it's depicted, especially in more modern productions must contribute a lot too. Little wonder it seems like a game when gun battles (and often fight scenes and even car chases) now all look like parody.
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#34Maybe the censorship team was too young know the significance of the picture. I am guessing average Facebook employee is under 30. Probably younger than that. Vietnam war is over 40 years old, most American students learned about it and knew that picture, but I don't know how much Vietnam war is taught in other countries. It might have been a combination of age and where the person grew up that contributed to deletin…
I doubt it:
"A Facebook spokeswoman said: “While we recognise that this photo is iconic, it’s difficult to create a distinction between allowing a photograph of a nude child in one instance and not others. "
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#35I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.
To be fair it is child nudity in this case, which has different legal ramifications in some situations. Also the views on nudity vary a lot from person to person in the US.
Only if deemed to be pornographic. I think it's fair to say this picture doesn't meet any of the requirements to be deemed as obscene (at least in a sexual sense; using napalm on people is another matter entirely).
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#36I always find it interesting that no level of violence is deemed inappropriate in the US but nudity has to be avoided at any cost.
To be fair it is child nudity in this case, which has different legal ramifications in some situations. Also the views on nudity vary a lot from person to person in the US.
Actually it's child violence. The nudity is incidental.
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#37She should simply publish it somewhere else, such as her own blog or some other website. When she signed up to Facebook.com she ticked a box agreeing to their terms. I never signed up so couldn't care less, but aren't most people on Facebook talking about what they had for breakfast and how awesome stuff is? I'm not sure where Napalm girl fits in with that culture except maybe "awesome war photography - thumbs up!!".
Facebook wants to be a place for news as well, with things like their "Instant Articles". It's a historically significant photo and was actually on the front page of the NY Times when it came out. So, would they censor a post from the NY Times if it had the same photo?
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#38I'm torn. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression mean that the government can't put you in prison or punish you for saying or believing what you do. Facebook aren't the government, they're a private entity and don't have to host anything they don't like- including hosting photos that they don't like. It's a walled garden, and it's their walled garden, and if you don't like it you're welcome to leave. And on the…
FB is controlled by Zuckerberg. He's the only shareholder that counts for determining what the company does. This is on him.
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#39This iconic picture was not only a Pulitzer Prize winner, but was also on the cover of the New York Times. Surely this will help the anonymous "Facebook spokeswoman" determine on which side it lies of the thin red line of "censor" / "do not censor"?
Re: Facebook deletes Norway PM's post as 'napalm girl' row escalates
#40I'm torn. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression mean that the government can't put you in prison or punish you for saying or believing what you do. Facebook aren't the government, they're a private entity and don't have to host anything they don't like- including hosting photos that they don't like. It's a walled garden, and it's their walled garden, and if you don't like it you're welcome to leave. And on the…
i also thought about that. But a society sets the rules businesses operate in, that ranges from environmental laws to other regulations. I think its perfectly valid to also set anti-censorship rules if the society think its valid.