Donating blood has a very similar "boost" effect, and also helps save lives.
as seen in 1400.
Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
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#132let's see how many people will try fasting alone and end up with bad side effects.
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#133If I were to fast for that long, should I ingest anything other than water? Some vitamin supplements for example? Or maybe a bit of salt? Or is it really only water?
I modelled my recent 4-day fast on Dr Michael Mosley's Horizon programme [0] in which he eats nothing but a miso soup (under 50 calories) per day and drinks nothing but water. Miso soup has the added benefit of sodium and other electrolytes without any caloric impact. I personally supplemented my water intake with peppermint tea as that has an incredibly low nutritional footprint and does not contain any extra substa…
Can you tell us more about the change of taste of water (or even other things post fasting) ?
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is very annoying when people dismiss anything sounding vaguely like "alternative therapy" out of fear of quackery. I remember reading a comment on Reddit where someone denied there the body ever contains any toxins... apparently they were not familiar that the liver and kidneys have a purpose.
Nobody (well, nearly nobody) denies that the body contains toxic substances. The disputed claim is that various fasting methods will remove those toxins, for which there is no evidence (in typical "alternative therapy" fashion). Of course, this doesn't mean that fasting can't have other health benefits. Want to help your body shed toxins? Drink some water, and your kidneys will get rid of them. The view that fasting…
In our pharmaceutical-run health system, "no evidence" often equates to "since this thing is not patentable, no company has paid for expensive FDA-approved testing of it". That's not the same as no evidence.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unless the act of donating blood releases some endorphins because you're helping someone else, then this is just bloodletting or phlebotomy, which is considered pseudoscience by the medical community. [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=vH1EAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT293&dq=b...
Phlebotomy is still the standard treatment for iron overload. Humans usually regulate iron levels effectively by reducing absorption when iron levels are high, but there are genetic diseases where this regulation malfunctions, and very high dietary intake (usually from supplements) can overwhelm it. Iron overload affects many different organs so mild cases might not have any obvious symptoms beyond a vague sense of b…
Iron overload, of all things, in a diet? Not likely. You will not be able to scarf down that much of it unless you're a habitual liver eater.
About the only way to experience such an overdose is to overdose on supplements.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks to blue1 who found the original paper ( http://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/fulltext/S1934-5909%2814%... ), I found this in the comments section: "In this study, the mice were allowed to drink water, but no food was allowed. In general, when limited food & water are allowed, the protocol is referred to as a "fasting-mimicking diet"" So no food, but water was allowed. Just remember the context: the mice were sub…
That paper isn't the original- it's a followup. The original is a strict fast (water only) for 72 hours. The FMD (Fasting Mimic Diet) is for 120 hours (5 days) and has more food allowed: "The human FMD diet consists of a 5 day regimen: day 1 of the diet supplies 1,090 kcal (10% protein, 56% fat, 34% carbohydrate), days 2–5 are identical in formulation and provide 725 kcal (9% protein, 44% fat, 47% carbohydrate)."
Wow, that's lower than what many calorie restriction experimenters run!
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
That odour is probably the ketones coming into play when the body starts using fat for energy, instead of carbs or protein. And yes, it's a well known fact.
For 3 weeks straight would be unusual though and not explain the commonly occurring tongue coating.
Sounds more like lack of immunity and candidosis.
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#138In my own experience day 3 of a water fast had profound effect on my health. I have some health issues so I closely monitor my blood pressure and blood sugar. On the morning of the fourth day my blood pressure and blood sugar would drop tremendously and stay normal for several months. ymmv
I had the same experience. I've been doing intermittent fasting for several months, and after a while I felt that hunger doesn't bother me that much anymore, so I decided to go for a three day fast. I do get slightly elevated blood pressure from time to time, but on the third day of fast I noticed that it dropped to lower than 120. I did a bit of googling, and found that there even were some medical studies looking into effect of fasting and lowering of blood pressure.
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#139I am curious the effect this would have on people with HIV/AIDS.
Likely deadly in case of AIDS. Initial stage of the fast lowers immunity a lot. Body reacts by lowering metabolism via parathyroid suppression among other things.
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#140For ages various alt-medical practitioners have been mentioning fasting as a positive. But "the real science" has denied its value. Not, "Oh, we're not sure." But, "Oh. No way. That can't be." Will Med Science now come out and say, "Oh, we're sorry. Looks like y'all were right all along."? (Hit: No never.)
Instead they'll spin it as, "Look what we found..." And people wonder why many of us don't trust Big Science, Big Med, Big Pharma, etc. Ha. They're assholes. That's why.
Makes ya wonder, when occasional we hear about some "miracle" recovery if that person didn't accidentally fast from being too ill to eat, and that actually kicked started curing them. It wasn't the meds. It was the fasting. How many meds and med studies were skewed because this wasn't factored in?