I am curious the effect this would have on people with HIV/AIDS.
Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
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Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#92Well, Islam gave the concept of 3 days fasting every month 1500 years ago and called "Ayyam Beez" and many Muslims have been practising it in every generation. Glad to know that science also discovered it.
Interesting, why isn't it as popular as Ramadan? I could barely find anything about it online.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#93I tried searching for the original article, but this is the closest I could find that had a better writeup than from the telegraph: https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regene... This is the most relevant summary: "In both mice and a Phase 1 human clinical trial involving patients receiving chemotherapy, long periods of not eating significantly lowered white blood cell counts. In mice, fasting cycles…
> I'll pass on this intermittent fasting "fad" for now! It's amazing how people are prone to experiment with this type of things. They're willing to undergo a very unpleasant experience because it might (unlikely) give them a (slight) health improvement.
"experiment". Do you really think our evolving ancestors ate every single day, regularly, on schedule? The only experiment here is a modern world that eats every day, regularly.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#94Well, Islam gave the concept of 3 days fasting every month 1500 years ago and called "Ayyam Beez" and many Muslims have been practising it in every generation. Glad to know that science also discovered it.
Scientific study proves (and sometimes doesn't) thing we take as common sense. Recently there was a study that dogs understood us more than was previously thought. Which wasn't a shocker but you have a camp of folks saying dogs understand nothing and another camp that continuously speak to their dogs. The scientific study just adds empirical proof.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#95In my own experience day 3 of a water fast had profound effect on my health. I have some health issues so I closely monitor my blood pressure and blood sugar. On the morning of the fourth day my blood pressure and blood sugar would drop tremendously and stay normal for several months. ymmv
It should be noted that going from eating a lot of unhealthy food to a 24hr fast might be a little on the dangerous side for some. The first time I tried it after about 12 or so hours I felt like I was going to pass out. So I ate something to stablize myself. After eating healthier for a while it's much easier to attempt.
I was on a strict diet/exercise regime for seven years before I tried fasting.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#96Tim Ferriss has poked at the positive effects of intermittent fasting on cancer/health/longevity a bit. I found this interview with Dominic D'Agostino very informative: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/11/03/dominic-dagostino/ Also: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2008/03/02/postponing-death-calo...
What he argues makes some sense, but his total dismissal of IF paired with low-carb seemed counter-productive.
"The one question that remains unanswered is whether or not the intermittent fast followed in a low-carbohydrate way will lead to these same problems. To me, that point is kind of moot. Why? Because I looked at the IF as a strategy that allowed me to eat a lot of high carb foods that I would normally avoid and not pay the health consequences for it. If I’m going to limit myself to low-carb foods, why go on the IF? I can get the same results just following a regular, whole-food, low-carb diet without having to eat only every other day."
Okay, so you only care about IF if it lets you indulge in high-carbohydrate food, so you aren't even going to try to determine if your thermogenesis argument holds for people doing both IF and low carb?
Considering I'm currently doing a low-carb diet and using mild IF (basically skipping breakfasts and not eating after ~8pm, so roughly 14-16 hours fasting most days) to try to break my weight plateaus and meet my weight loss goals, that paragraph, while valid (and I'm glad he shared it), rubbed me the wrong way and doesn't give me any information to help me determine whether I should be skipping that meal or not.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#97Last weekend I did a 60 hour fast, part of my motivation was research like this.
What I discovered after and into this week is that my self-control has increased dramatically.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#98I tried searching for the original article, but this is the closest I could find that had a better writeup than from the telegraph: https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regene... This is the most relevant summary: "In both mice and a Phase 1 human clinical trial involving patients receiving chemotherapy, long periods of not eating significantly lowered white blood cell counts. In mice, fasting cycles…
"I'll pass on this intermittent fasting "fad" for now!"
Presumably you've tried it ?
That is to say, starting from a very high baseline of both cardio-vascular fitness and output as well as a high level of muscle training[1] you then tried IF and didn't notice a positive effect in your training or output ?
Fair enough. IANAD and YMMV.
[1] Since you're not going to notice the effects of marginal changes in a loosely coupled, highly variant system anyway. Adding a high flow air filter to your 1997 chrysler minivan probably won't produce noticeable results.
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#99Donating blood has a very similar "boost" effect, and also helps save lives.
There is some evidence to indicate that high iron levels are a risk factor in heart disease. And thus donating blood could help lower that risk for some people. However I don't think any sort of "boost" effect has ever been demonstrated.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20001025/too-much-ir...
Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)
#100I tried searching for the original article, but this is the closest I could find that had a better writeup than from the telegraph: https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regene... This is the most relevant summary: "In both mice and a Phase 1 human clinical trial involving patients receiving chemotherapy, long periods of not eating significantly lowered white blood cell counts. In mice, fasting cycles…
> I'll pass on this intermittent fasting "fad" for now! It's amazing how people are prone to experiment with this type of things. They're willing to undergo a very unpleasant experience because it might (unlikely) give them a (slight) health improvement.
Not everyone believes the point of life is to maximize pleasant experiences. Or even that the best way to maximize pleasant experiences is to only experience pleasant things.
Fasting can make food taste much better, can focus the mind, might remind people that time if fleeting, or that some people never have enough to eat. People fast for a myriad of complementary reasons.