Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

Post by refurb » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:16 PM UTC

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> Some people have a lot of "bad stuff" which will enter their bloodstream when their body breaks down adipose for fuel. [...] you'll have severe "detox" symptoms a day or two into the fast. Your body doesn't work that way. "Detoxing diets" are pure superstition – which toxins are those supposed to be anyway? From [1]: "The 'toxins' usually remain undefined, with little to no evidence of toxic accumulation in the pat…

"Toxicological Function of Adipose Tissue: Focus on Persistent Organic Pollutants" http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/121/2/ehp.120548... "The studies discussed here indicate that AT (Adipose tissue) plays a central role in POP (persistent organic pollutants) toxicology. This role is complex and may seem paradoxical. Indeed, there is evidence that AT is protective under conditions of acute or subacute exposu…

Post by adwn » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:39 PM UTC

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Nobody (well, nearly nobody) denies that the body contains toxic substances. The disputed claim is that various fasting methods will remove those toxins, for which there is no evidence (in typical "alternative therapy" fashion). Of course, this doesn't mean that fasting can't have other health benefits. Want to help your body shed toxins? Drink some water, and your kidneys will get rid of them. The view that fasting…

Do you have any evidence that drinking more water alone without weight loss will remove the toxins from the adipose tissue that have accumulated over the years? I'm interested in learning how that works in more detail.

Post by joveian » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:51 PM UTC

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Just a personal anecdote, but I was getting colds and flu-like symptoms several times per year for years. People I knew often commented on how often I was ill. I did a 3-day fast two years ago, and haven't had much more than a scratchy throat for about two days since. It could be coincidence, but other people have noticed and commented on my healthier state. I haven't significantly changed my behavior otherwise.

It has to be a coincidence. I can't imagine what the health benefits of a single 3-day fast could be that they would be so massive as to change your entire health for years.

Post by baccheion » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

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Ingesting anything will ruin the fast. Even brushing your teeth becomes tricky, as toothpaste can ruin everything. I ended up using a salt water solution (and an electric tooth brush) to do the job, but in hindsight, I could've used something like ToothSoap. It's extremely important to rinse the mouth thoroughly, so you don't swallow anything. It is possible to run low on vitamins (depending on how long you go). If i…

and whats wrong with eating too much - I understand that you say breaking the fast is important ... but why?

Post by znpy » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 4:12 PM UTC

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I tried searching for the original article, but this is the closest I could find that had a better writeup than from the telegraph: https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regene... This is the most relevant summary: "In both mice and a Phase 1 human clinical trial involving patients receiving chemotherapy, long periods of not eating significantly lowered white blood cell counts. In mice, fasting cycles…

> I'll pass on this intermittent fasting "fad" for now! It's amazing how people are prone to experiment with this type of things. They're willing to undergo a very unpleasant experience because it might (unlikely) give them a (slight) health improvement.