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Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by djsumdog »

6nf wrote: post #37
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #11

All I know is that the music industry learned a long time ago DRM didn't work and wasn't worth it, and I can now buy MP3 files on any service, and play them on any device. And while I don't engage in movie piracy myself, I hope these pirates are successful in driving studios to that same point, where I can happily shell over $30 for a 4K file and use it how I want to.

There's a difference though. DRM music files are sold directly to consumers. These consumers have to be able to decrypt the files on their own computers / devices which makes DRM useless. The movie files in this case are not meant for consumers. They're only decrypted on specialised equipment not accessible to the general public. If you manage to get your hands on a DCP file there's nothing you can do to decrypt it w…

So UHD BlueRays, they don't use DCP correct? But those haven't been broken as well (as far as we know), and that seems like the media to target to create 4k torrents.

What tech is used on UHD consumer Bluerays?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by djsumdog »

mappu wrote: post #29
voltagex_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, that's less than a 50GB Blu-Ray, so tell me, why did we need a different disc format for UHD Blu-Ray?

And a YIFY 1080p release is less than a 4.5GB DVD, why did we need a different disc format for regular Blu-Ray? A VCD release fits on a 700MB CD, why did we need a different disc format for DVD? You can make video files come out any size you like - even 1 MB - if you're willing to make the tradeoffs (on both quality and time-to-encode dimensions). There's also a limited amount of hardware you can put into a set-top p…

Hence the HD-DVD which packed the 1080p and 720p videos onto the older media standard.

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Post by ajtaylor »

kenperkins wrote: post #190
tw04 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who wo…

This is why I have the AMC MoviePass and go to theaters which don't care if I bring in a can of my own soda. Even the cheaper theaters want $5+ for the smallest soda. That's just ridiculous!

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Post by m_arnold »

christofosho wrote: post #219
kayla210 wrote: post #208

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I actually carry a big purse when I go to the movies to keep everyone's snacks and drinks from the dollar store down the street, just for this reason. If the movie theater's snacks/drinks were reasonably priced, I would consider forgoing the dollar store and just buy it there to save time.

Keep in mind some theatres threaten an up to $1,000,000 fine for bringing outside food into the theatre. Silly, but I guess they feel it undermines their services?

I'd love to see that hold up in court.

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Post by will_hughes »

rayvd wrote: post #191
myrryr wrote: post #84

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It is a market failure. There exists a product, which is easily reproduced and simple to transport. These exists people who wish to purchase the product, and pay a fair price to do so - but cannot. It is the classic example of market failure.

I think the market would readily like to solve the problem, save for regulations, laws and cronyism...

Depends on who you view as "the market".

There's zero competition in the distribution/publishing side of things for a movie - i.e a retailer can't choose to buy Star Wars from anyone other than Disney, or the Bourne films from anyone other than Universal.

They have no potential incentive to be more responsive to market demands. Market Segmentation is a great way to ensure the highest revenue per sale, so they sell it into each market for as much as the market will support.

Then there's exclusivity arrangements in the online side of things - so I can't get (say) Game of Thrones on Netflix.

In Australia I have to subscribe to Foxtel and pay a fortune for premium channels, and if I want to watch it online, well, I can get a pretty crummy quality stream in some other painful to use app. Or I can wait 12 months and buy it on DVD/Bluray, which are still only 1080p.

The distributors/publishers are free to fix that, today, if they wanted to - but they don't.

So griping about "regulations, laws and cronyism" doesn't ring true. (Well, maybe the last)

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Post by ekianjo »

ars wrote: post #202
ekianjo wrote: post #175

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Grain is not noise. Digital is cleaner because your pictures and movies go through tons of filters before you actually get them on screen. If you go down to the microscopic level film goes way beyond the resolution you can ever hope to achieve with the best digital cameras out there. It's just not something that is expressed in pixels.

Grain is in fact noise. Noise: Things that are not in the actual signal. > If you go down to the microscopic level film goes way beyond the resolution you can ever hope to achieve with the best digital cameras out there. That simply isn't true. At the microscopic level film pixels look like "clouds" of colored ink. The pixels are not square, but they are there, and they are not the size of atoms, but much larger - yo…

> A couple of years ago there was still an argument, but these days the argument is over. Digital clearly won.

You are using survivor bias to prove your point. My point is that Digital is inferior in SOME aspects to Film - and it still stands. The fact that Digital won has nothing to do with the facts to be considered when doing a comparison.

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Post by i336_ »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #111
dawnerd wrote: post #87

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youtube-dl has actually been really useful for backing up my own channel. Simply passing it a channel url and it will download everything in the best quality available.

Google Takeout downloads the originals, which is better than the highest quality reencode.

Ooooh wow. That's a lot of diskspace...

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Post by mappu »

djsumdog wrote: post #222
mappu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a YIFY 1080p release is less than a 4.5GB DVD, why did we need a different disc format for regular Blu-Ray? A VCD release fits on a 700MB CD, why did we need a different disc format for DVD? You can make video files come out any size you like - even 1 MB - if you're willing to make the tradeoffs (on both quality and time-to-encode dimensions). There's also a limited amount of hardware you can put into a set-top p…

Hence the HD-DVD which packed the 1080p and 720p videos onto the older media standard.

HD-DVD was a separate type of physical disk. It could store more data than DVD but less than Bluray.

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Post by michaelmrose »

naspinski wrote: post #199
tw04 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore Box office sales have generally increased over the past 20+ years. Possibly people in your peer group may not, but this does not seem correct. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/ http://www.the-numbers.com/market/

In 1995 0.20 theatre tickets were sold per person in the world.

In 2016 slightly less than 0.13 tickets were sold per person.

This highlights 3 things.

- In the grand scheme of things most people in the world don't go to movie theaters and never have.

- Less do than ever before both in absolute terms and proportionally.

It seems unlikely that steadily raising the cost of tickets and food is going to be a sustainable way to avoid falling revenue in the future.

The smart money ought to be giving people the movie experience they want at home and giving people a higher quality experience out with a higher price tag.

The former will obliterate a lot of theaters and the latter is a smaller scale demand than the existing industry.

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Post by creshal »

Houshalter wrote: post #212
ekianjo wrote: post #100

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> It violates YouTube's terms of service Yes > and hurts the artists. Evidence required.

Why does HN find it so difficult to understand such a simple concept? Obviously people will download it for free that otherwise would have paid for it.

Free streaming does not cut into artists' sales, but downloads will, because…?
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