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Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by bravo22 » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 2:47 PM UTC

wfunction wrote: post #63

bravo22 wrote: post #16

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They wouldn't send a DCP stream for transcoding. DCP stream can only be decoded by the media block inside the projector and the output physically goes to the projector chip. The system has safe guards against physical intrusion. If you open the projector, it wipes all the keys. The level of paranoia in that thing is insane. They keys only get programmed by the studios at manufacture time, and there is no servicing of…

> If you open the projector, it wipes all the keys. What if it has no power?

The media block has a small micro inside the controls the HSM. It runs on an internal back-up battery. If the unit is opened, or tampered with then it wipes all the keys. That module is FIPS certified against intrusion.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by saint_fiasco » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 2:51 PM UTC

slr555 wrote: post #45

humanrebar wrote: post #33

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> Pirates try to justify their thefts in economic terms but at the end of the day they are no different than someone taking socks from Walmart. I agree that people just want free stuff, but stealing a physical object deprives someone of that object. Copying media is strictly a violation of a business model. There is minimal (if any) marginal cost to the owner. Better analogies include sneaking into a (not full) movie…

To the contrary the analogy is apt because when one takes the socks you are not harming the next consumer (sure the cost of shrinkage is passed on) and there are lots of places to get socks. But the party that is well and truly fucked the most is the producer of the socks who will derive no benefit from work spent, designing, promoting, producing or delivering the socks. Your literal minded response suggests that, a…

No, the party that is fucked is the last step in the distribution chain, the one that actually sells the sock to the end user. The rest don't care, since the the sock store is just going to have to buy an additional sock from them to replenish stock.

That's the thing with physical goods. Once you receive money and give your customer the thing, if it gets stolen it's the customer's problem.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by badwolf » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 2:52 PM UTC

2bitencryption wrote: post #64

taneq wrote: post #56

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Is that true, though? I'd expect that the people who only download cracked games will wait for the game to be cracked and up for download, no matter how long that takes. The people who download games to trial them and then buy the ones they like will likewise wait until they can give it a shot before potentially wasting money. The last group, those who buy legit copies of games at or near release, are going to buy it…

When it comes to watching movies, I will take the path of least resistance. Not even for moral or philosophical reasons; I'm just lazy. Netflix/Amazon/[streaming site] is easier than pirating is easier than buying a Bluray disk at a store, so that's the order I'll do things in if I want to see the film badly enough.

I don't even own a DVD/Bluray player. If I can't find it on a streaming site (whether subscription service like Netflix, or buying it, ala Amazon) Then... :-/ Hoist the Jolly Roger.

It's frustrating wanting to give money for something, and not being able to.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by hx87 » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 2:54 PM UTC

rrrazdan wrote: post #170

zizee wrote: post #79

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Some people believe that copyright infringement is a morally acceptable response to copyright terms changing from limited to effectively infinite duration.

Copyright on a song or book is like ownership. Imagine a scenario where you mould from clay an amazing aesthetically pleasing shape. Do you think that it should be taken from you after a set time period?

No it isn't like ownership, because I can make a perfect copy without taking away yours. After 3 years or so showing off your clay sculpture and making money from it, why should I be able to make copies freely?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

robocat wrote: post #94

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #43

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I agree in principle, but I think the adage that "Every day that a new videogame stays off Piratebay is an extra day of full revenue" is a bit of a false equivalency.

There is almost a controlled experiment here (similar data to many economics papers). For each movie, copies are released over time and a correlation can be looked at between quality of rip, distribution by file sharing, and box office receipts.

That would actually be an interesting study.

The "problem" is that it would obviously show that the impact of torrenting is much less than one lost sale per download. And reflect that even the downloads that are lost sales are offset to some degree by the people who download to sample and then buy when they otherwise wouldn't have, and the free promotion from the people who downloaded it talking about it with other people etc.

The result is that the likely "negative impact" would be small or could even be positive, which isn't the narrative Hollywood wants to spin. Because they actually want DRM for entirely different reasons than that, specifically because it allows them to control content delivery and thus prevent independent content from being displayed on equal footing with big studio content.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by sp332 » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 3:04 PM UTC

ryandamm wrote: post #57

Yaggo wrote: post #14

The DVD format in NTSC regions has 480 pixel vertical resolution. Even the half-century old NTSC spec has more vertical lines (525). I find it amazing that DVDs are still being sold.

From Wikipedia's article on NTSC: "483 scan lines make up the visible raster" The 525 includes a lot of other stuff. Easy mistake because PAL shows 576 lines (out of 625), but only at 25 full frames / 50 interlaced half-frames per second as opposed to 30p/60i for NTSC. (PAL DVDs are also 576.) While they're all constrained by the scanline in the vertical direction, the analog standards are resolution-limited in the h…

Even a DVD with a 16:9 image uses non-square pixels, so it encodes 480 "scanlines" but a 4:3 TV with 480 scanlines won't show the full vertical resolution. (If it did, the horizontal would either be squished or cut off at the sides.) A lot of people were buying HDTVs without bluray players because their DVDs looked so much better when they could see the full resolution.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by dozzie » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 3:15 PM UTC

lgieron wrote: post #173

zielmicha wrote: post #165

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Watching already published videos is fair use in Poland. Art 23 Ustawa o prawie autorskim i prawach pokrewnych > 1. Bez zezwolenia twórcy wolno nieodpłatnie korzystać z już rozpowszechnionego utworu w zakresie własnego użytku osobistego. (...) > 2. Zakres własnego użytku osobistego obejmuje korzystanie z pojedynczych egzemplarzy utworów przez krąg osób pozostających w związku osobistym, w szczególności pokrewieństwa,…

You've missed "within the scope of personal use" at the end of point 1 - which (IMO) means that you can only watch the video if it was posted by a friend/relative.

I'm somewhat surprised you and DanBC show that deep understanding of Polish law despite of not living here, judging from your names.

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 3:17 PM UTC

shafiqissani wrote: post #149

I will pay 200gbp per month to the service provider that can provide 4k offline viewing with the variety of content available through torrent sites. I bet there is not one legal service available online where you can view 4k media without streaming and without country specific restrictions.

Is there such a legal service in any resolution, excluding public domain content?

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by coretx » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 3:20 PM UTC

yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

However much i do not like to spoil your party due to sharing the sentiment; please note that your example is an pyrrhic victory.

Sure, services who uphold basic principles such as listening to a market demand and adjusting prices to it exist nowadays; yet the root of the problems; it being impossible to define a marginal price; still exists. Some of the monopolistic effects are not felt by the masses, yet they surely do exist. Think about market entry for example, virtually impossible. We have to raise the level of the debate i'm afraid....

Re: Pirates Plunder 4K Hateful Eight, but Did They Crack DCP?

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Post by kenperkins » Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 3:29 PM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #176

yRetsyM wrote: post #69

> Commenting on the release, Sebastian Haselbeck of Tarantino fansite Tarantino.info says that while he’s not a fan of piracy, he believes that a failure to serve the market is the real problem. > “I strongly condemn piracy and find it generally damaging, but it is a symptom, not the source, of market failure,” he told TF. That's it right there. Music piracy took a long time to sort out because it was inaccessible. N…

Well, there are two issues as I see it: 1. Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there. 2. People like me who are on extremely limited bandwidth connections can't watch anything in h…

> Most people have no desire to go to a theater anymore, so making people wait months to see a new film means they're going to try to find a way to see it sooner. If they released streaming alongside movie theater releases I would imagine you'd knock out 90%+ of the piracy out there.

Aside: Saw Pets with my kids this week; Large Soda is now more than a Bud Light at a Football game ($8). Consider me among those who would gladly stop going to the theater.