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Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by takeda » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

Angostura wrote: post #143

shlant wrote: post #136

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Not sure why you chose that source, but one second searching google for "acne diet research" returns this from the AAD no less: https://www.aad.org/media/news-releases/growing-evidence-sug... Yes, the cause of acne can be different from person to person, but if you really think that the building blocks (ie. food) of our body doesn't have an effect on our largest organ then you are being willfully ignorant. From my ex…

I chose that source because a) I'm British and b) the NHS has a vested interest in reducing its drug bill and antibiotic usage as far as possible. So if there were a strong correlation between diet and acne and GPs could reduce treatment by suggesting dietary changes - they would. If you look at the article you linked the most substantial source is a study of 23 Australian men, which showed interesting, but not concl…

It's silly to refuse advice and to quote an article that doesn't deny that there could be an link, and it just say that there is no proof that definitively there is a link. It's extremely hard to do tests on humans whether something works on them or not, because scientists can't lock us in the cages to make sure we won't do anything else that will impact the results.

Right now the only way to find out is to try yourself, it is free after all, and you can't deny that in any case (whether it works for acne our not) reduction of sugar intake is good for your body.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by dogma1138 » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #48

dogma1138 wrote: post #23

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>The health industry as a whole, has been weakened by the discovery of antibiotics and designer molecules, and as a result now spends too many resources on looking for killer chemicals (antibiotics and other drugs). What!? antibiotics are for the most part the most important discovery in medical history, period. They by far saved more lives than virtually any other treatment and make many other treatments possible.

And make implants possible as well.

It means you don't die when you go into surgery, you don't die from burns, you don't die from severe bone fracture, and cancer is actually treatable.

Chemo and radiation therapy tend to reek havoc with the immune system, certain types of cancer leave you with little to no white blood cells period.

Without antibiotics you could not have these treatment regiments at all as without preemptive and reactionary antibiotic treatments many cancer patients would die.

Without anti virals and antibiotic other conditions with compromised immune system including HIV would be considerably more fatal as well.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 2:25 PM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #65

dogma1138 wrote: post #23

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>The health industry as a whole, has been weakened by the discovery of antibiotics and designer molecules, and as a result now spends too many resources on looking for killer chemicals (antibiotics and other drugs). What!? antibiotics are for the most part the most important discovery in medical history, period. They by far saved more lives than virtually any other treatment and make many other treatments possible.

These two things are not incompatible. Yes, antibiotics are awesome. Yes, we messed up because these days you can convince your doctor to give you antibiotics for viral infections (they will tell you it's useless though) and take as little as you want of it, and create more resistance problems.

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Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by burgreblast » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 2:28 PM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #29

milesf wrote: post #24

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I guess I lucked out, as well as a good number of my friends and colleagues.

Clearly you live on some other planet where people don't have sex before marriage, or they're just quick to deny such a thing ever happened. Get tested and play safe. Marriage has nothing to do with it.

Anecdata here, but...I live on this planet, have an awesome spouse, great kids, etc. It's seriously wonderful to be monogamous.

For me, at least, marriage has _everything_ to do with it.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by ensignavenger » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 3:02 PM UTC

JanezStupar wrote: post #121

PeterisP wrote: post #102

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For the particular case of antibiotic use, what I've seen is that farms with 10 cows generally apply antibiotics only when needed and farms with 500 cows generally apply antibiotics by putting it in everyones feed; it makes economic sense for both of them because of differences on how they work with these cows every day.

Large agribusiness do other deplorable stuff - i.e. letting cows die and collecting insurance instead of treating them, etc...

Any citation for this? If this was actually a widespread practice, I would think their insurance premiums would be prohibitively expensive!

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by vosper » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 3:12 PM UTC

takeda wrote: post #151

Angostura wrote: post #143

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I chose that source because a) I'm British and b) the NHS has a vested interest in reducing its drug bill and antibiotic usage as far as possible. So if there were a strong correlation between diet and acne and GPs could reduce treatment by suggesting dietary changes - they would. If you look at the article you linked the most substantial source is a study of 23 Australian men, which showed interesting, but not concl…

It's silly to refuse advice and to quote an article that doesn't deny that there could be an link, and it just say that there is no proof that definitively there is a link. It's extremely hard to do tests on humans whether something works on them or not, because scientists can't lock us in the cages to make sure we won't do anything else that will impact the results. Right now the only way to find out is to try yours…

You're really claiming it's silly to refuse advice from a random person on the Internet, in favour of waiting for studies and clinical data?

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by takeda » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 4:15 PM UTC

vosper wrote: post #156

takeda wrote: post #151

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It's silly to refuse advice and to quote an article that doesn't deny that there could be an link, and it just say that there is no proof that definitively there is a link. It's extremely hard to do tests on humans whether something works on them or not, because scientists can't lock us in the cages to make sure we won't do anything else that will impact the results. Right now the only way to find out is to try yours…

You're really claiming it's silly to refuse advice from a random person on the Internet, in favour of waiting for studies and clinical data?

Yep, there's one thing to tell you to do something that could potentially be harmful, vs telling you to not doing something because it might be harmful to you.

It took 50 years before it we noticed that there might be a relation with smoking causing a lung cancer and 80 years (1980) before we were sure about it[1][2].

Acne though is far less serious issue, and not many people would be interested finding cause for it, especially since it would kill business for companies selling solutions that treat the symptoms (which do help, but you need to use them regularly)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tobacco#/media/File...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tobacco#Health_conc...

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by milesf » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 4:16 PM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #29

milesf wrote: post #24

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I guess I lucked out, as well as a good number of my friends and colleagues.

Clearly you live on some other planet where people don't have sex before marriage, or they're just quick to deny such a thing ever happened. Get tested and play safe. Marriage has nothing to do with it.

> Clearly you live on some other planet where people don't have sex before marriage

I admit that I really don't belong here in this world. I'll give you that.

Was I a virgin before I married? No. But when I learned about the facts of sexually transmitted diseases back in 1990, I chose to stop. After that, I got tested twice for STD's: once when I started dating a girl in 1993 who I was serious with, and knew that if I married her she needed to know if I had contracted anything (I was clean, but we parted ways), and once more before I married in 2000 (just double-checking. No STD's).

Still, I haven't seen one response to my comment from anyone else that can explain why monogamy won't work to stop gonorrhea. Why people are so up-in-arms in this comment thread about another person's personal choice seems silly to me. You are free to do whatever you want! I'm not going to stop you. But, we all have to live with the consequences of those choices.

I made my choice. Sorry that so many of you seem to be offended by that, but I really don't care what you think of me. I guess I have to spend my hacker news karma on something :)

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Post by rmsaksida » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 4:16 PM UTC

superflit wrote: post #141

saiya-jin wrote: post #120

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go into any 3rd world country, ie whole south east asia/india, africa, south america etc. and you will find strong antibiotics sold freely over the counter for next to nothing, no prescriptions, people taking them at their will, without proper knowledge. so no it's far from only farming, billions of people are doing antibiotics in very wrong way

I just want to corroborate the poster with Brazilian data. Yes there is a 'law' that requires prescription and safe keeping of records about each sell. But as the same laws on every level they are only enforced at the middle class level (higher and lower class do not care). I am Brazilian and I do wish that law was more pervasive but My wish do not turn the facts other way. So yes, abuse in third world is rampant. Fa…

I don't think that's a widespread problem when it comes to antibiotics. For some other kinds of medication, it's probably true that people get them from the black market (think benzos). But antibiotics? Really? Do you know anyone who has ever done that? I'm sure those places exist but to say they are affecting resistance is a very big claim. And it has nothing to do with social class, every pharmacy I've been to in Brazil has been similarly paranoid about prescriptions, regardless of the neighborhood or clientele. Maybe that's a Southeast bias, but I'd like to see some hard data about black market antibiotics being so common.

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Post by milesf » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #140

tingol wrote: post #126

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He said legal.

The question stands, what is a drug?

All drugs. Cocaine, marijuana, heroin, you name it. Legislation doesn't work, it only creates black markets that jack the price up and fund the less scrupulous elements of our society.

Is _that_ an answer for you?