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Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by JanezStupar »

PeterisP wrote: post #102
witty_username wrote: post #97

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> big agribusiness Are small agribusiness(es?) exempt? Why should they?

For the particular case of antibiotic use, what I've seen is that farms with 10 cows generally apply antibiotics only when needed and farms with 500 cows generally apply antibiotics by putting it in everyones feed; it makes economic sense for both of them because of differences on how they work with these cows every day.

Large agribusiness do other deplorable stuff - i.e. letting cows die and collecting insurance instead of treating them, etc...

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Post by [deleted] »

tanto wrote: post #105
Houshalter wrote: post #95

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Well something between 50-80% of antibiotics are used in agriculture. Which is huge, but it's within the same order of magnitude. I'm not sure there is evidence that the majority of antibiotic resistance is caused by agriculture. I know for example my brother takes a low dose of antibiotics everyday to treat acne. Lots of people do. That can't possibly be good for preventing resistance. Also the germs animals have ar…

Ask your brother to stop the intake of sugar completely for 3 month (including all the hidden sugar in any processed food). I know this from myself and couple people which had acne that if you stop the intake of artificial sugar long enough the acne will mostly vanish. Even today whenever I eat high amounts of sugar I know for sure what will happen. I think this is a good example of misuse of antibiotics.

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Post by Angostura »

tanto wrote: post #105
Houshalter wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well something between 50-80% of antibiotics are used in agriculture. Which is huge, but it's within the same order of magnitude. I'm not sure there is evidence that the majority of antibiotic resistance is caused by agriculture. I know for example my brother takes a low dose of antibiotics everyday to treat acne. Lots of people do. That can't possibly be good for preventing resistance. Also the germs animals have ar…

Ask your brother to stop the intake of sugar completely for 3 month (including all the hidden sugar in any processed food). I know this from myself and couple people which had acne that if you stop the intake of artificial sugar long enough the acne will mostly vanish. Even today whenever I eat high amounts of sugar I know for sure what will happen. I think this is a good example of misuse of antibiotics.

There are many good reasons for cutting down on sugar, but before we get enthusiastic, it is worth recognising that there is no established link between diet and acne.

See the 'common myths' section.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acne/Pages/Causes.aspx

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Post by throwanem »

zackmorris wrote: post #60

Keep in mind that media outlets are unlikely to point out the fact that antibiotic resistance is mainly caused by antibiotic overuse on farms for livestock (due to the conflict of interest when so many ad dollars come from food). Yes, humans failing to finish their run for the time prescribed for them, and use of antibiotics for viral infections have been a problem too. But those are completely dwarfed by farm use. F…

Do cows often get gonorrhea? I mean sure, you hear stories about lonely farmers, but...

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Post by tingol »

lostlogin wrote: post #109
milesf wrote: post #26

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It's a personal choice. Frankly I am okay with all drugs being legal as well. It's not going to sway my decision not to use them.

That sounds fairly Puritan. How do you define "drug"? That's the bit that matters. Alcohol? Caffeine? Theobromine? Somewhere in your diet and routine is something that meets someones definition of "drug" but not yours.

He said legal.

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Post by cfontes »

siscia wrote: post #123

Maybe I am saying something completely out of the world. But when bacteria become too dangerous why we don't simply vaccinate against them?

Vaccines are expensive to research and require a very long period of trials before being release to the public, while this happens people will die by the millions without antibiotics.

Also because bacteria can mutate making your vaccine useless, so you need to research again.

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Post by AznHisoka »

Angostura wrote: post #124
tanto wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask your brother to stop the intake of sugar completely for 3 month (including all the hidden sugar in any processed food). I know this from myself and couple people which had acne that if you stop the intake of artificial sugar long enough the acne will mostly vanish. Even today whenever I eat high amounts of sugar I know for sure what will happen. I think this is a good example of misuse of antibiotics.

There are many good reasons for cutting down on sugar, but before we get enthusiastic, it is worth recognising that there is no established link between diet and acne. See the 'common myths' section. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acne/Pages/Causes.aspx

That's because the cause of acne is so different person to person. There's teenage acne which definitely isn't caused by diet and goes away eventually. A regimen of clearasil works for these lucky folks.

Then there's the severe type that always recur every month. Less than 1% of the population has this and the standard advice never works for these people. For some, changing diet works. For some it doesn't but thats the type of acne that's possibly linked to diet.

So saying there's no link is really misleading. There's no universal law that says red meat causes acne for everyone but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause acne for you

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Post by siscia »

cfontes wrote: post #127
siscia wrote: post #123

Maybe I am saying something completely out of the world. But when bacteria become too dangerous why we don't simply vaccinate against them?

Vaccines are expensive to research and require a very long period of trials before being release to the public, while this happens people will die by the millions without antibiotics. Also because bacteria can mutate making your vaccine useless, so you need to research again.

Sure but once enough people are vaccinated the bacteria will have less surface to develop further mutations.

We should aim to vaccinate as many people as possible and use antibiotics only in the rare case of infection, shouldn't we?

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Post by throwanem »

VladimirGolovin wrote: post #115
exolymph wrote: post #56

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Scott Alexander's lengthy and masterful followup to / extension of Kipling's poem: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Can't comment on the followup / extension idea, but Scott Alexander's Meditations on Moloch is an amazing, possibly life-changing piece of writing. It's long, so you'll probably need at least an hour of time in a single uninterrupted chunk - but in the end, it's absolutely worth it.

I don't know about changing my life, but it certainly has changed my opinion of Scott Alexander, and vastly in his favor.
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