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Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Keep in mind that media outlets are unlikely to point out the fact that antibiotic resistance is mainly caused by antibiotic overuse on farms for livestock (due to the conflict of interest when so many ad dollars come from food). Yes, humans failing to finish their run for the time prescribed for them, and use of antibiotics for viral infections have been a problem too. But those are completely dwarfed by farm use. F…

go into any 3rd world country, ie whole south east asia/india, africa, south america etc. and you will find strong antibiotics sold freely over the counter for next to nothing, no prescriptions, people taking them at their will, without proper knowledge. so no it's far from only farming, billions of people are doing antibiotics in very wrong way

I just want to corroborate the poster with Brazilian data. Yes there is a 'law' that requires prescription and safe keeping of records about each sell. But as the same laws on every level they are only enforced at the middle class level (higher and lower class do not care). I am Brazilian and I do wish that law was more pervasive but My wish do not turn the facts other way. So yes, abuse in third world is rampant.

Facts [1] - http://noticias.r7.com/bahia/remedios-vendidos-sem-autorizac...

[2] - https://www.google.com.br/#q=antibioticos+vendidos+irregular...

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

#142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many good reasons for cutting down on sugar, but before we get enthusiastic, it is worth recognising that there is no established link between diet and acne. See the 'common myths' section. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acne/Pages/Causes.aspx

Not sure what counts as an "established link", but that doesn't mean there is no evidence, or that such a link is a "myth". Check this out: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/exd.12180/full That paper discusses a link between dairy, insulin levels, and acne.

> Overall these theories provide a plausible and useful guide to the possible mechanisms by which a high-GI diet and dairy products can exert their effects in the pathogenesis of acne and can explain in part why people native to Papua New Guinea and Paraguay, living non-Westernized lifestyles, have no acne compared with more Westernized populations such as in Belgium (Table 2 and Table S1; see Supporting Information). However, they provide only the first step to understanding the link between diet and acne.

From http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjd.13462/full

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

#143
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many good reasons for cutting down on sugar, but before we get enthusiastic, it is worth recognising that there is no established link between diet and acne. See the 'common myths' section. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acne/Pages/Causes.aspx

Not sure why you chose that source, but one second searching google for "acne diet research" returns this from the AAD no less: https://www.aad.org/media/news-releases/growing-evidence-sug... Yes, the cause of acne can be different from person to person, but if you really think that the building blocks (ie. food) of our body doesn't have an effect on our largest organ then you are being willfully ignorant. From my ex…

I chose that source because a) I'm British and b) the NHS has a vested interest in reducing its drug bill and antibiotic usage as far as possible. So if there were a strong correlation between diet and acne and GPs could reduce treatment by suggesting dietary changes - they would.

If you look at the article you linked the most substantial source is a study of 23 Australian men, which showed interesting, but not conclusive results. So at best the jury is out.

Note that these were low GI diets, so we are not just talking about sugar, but simple starches found in potatoes, white bread, rice etc.

> but if you really think that the building blocks (ie. food) of our body doesn't have an effect on our largest organ then you are being willfully ignorant.

Intuitively, of course this feels right. In practice, I'll wait to see the actual studies, rather than the anecdotage.

And I'm not comfortable calling the majority of dermatologists, the NHS etc "willfully ignorant "

The fact that your sister in law has moved has undoubtedly introduced a variety of life-style and dietary changes. That you've picked sugary drinks as the most important factor isn't really compelling evidence.

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For the particular case of antibiotic use, what I've seen is that farms with 10 cows generally apply antibiotics only when needed and farms with 500 cows generally apply antibiotics by putting it in everyones feed; it makes economic sense for both of them because of differences on how they work with these cows every day.

Large agribusiness do other deplorable stuff - i.e. letting cows die and collecting insurance instead of treating them, etc...

From what I've seen, letting cows die or mistreating them is a much worse problem in small agribusiness.

This of course depends on local regulation and legislation. But at least over here (northern EU), the bureaucracy is heavy and requirements quite strong.

Large-scale farming units have internal processes and they have more resources; there are many people doing the work with more thorough official oversight. Small-scale animal care, i.e. family or single-person farms, may be dependent on one person only. When illness - particularly mental illness - or old age kicks in, the animals may be neglected or mistreated in abhorrent ways.

On the other hand, small-scale agribusiness is also where the best animal care can be seen, there is actually an emotional bond between the carer and the animals.

Bad care is eventually caught because when you can't treat your animals well, you won't do your paperwork either. However, it is a strain on small farms as there is a fixed overhead in paperwork that is not much dependent on farm size, so there's a lot more to do per animal on small farms and thus there is more work/cost.

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#145
post #123

Maybe I am saying something completely out of the world. But when bacteria become too dangerous why we don't simply vaccinate against them?

sure. did you get your flu vaccine last year? will you get another next year, and the year after? You should, but there is a limit to the number of the vaccines that are feasible either scientifically, clinically, or economically.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

#146

Keep in mind that media outlets are unlikely to point out the fact that antibiotic resistance is mainly caused by antibiotic overuse on farms for livestock (due to the conflict of interest when so many ad dollars come from food). Yes, humans failing to finish their run for the time prescribed for them, and use of antibiotics for viral infections have been a problem too. But those are completely dwarfed by farm use. F…

There haves been increasing regulatory scrutiny given to the prophylactic use of antibiotic in animals (perhaps later than would have been optimal) http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/GuidanceComplianceEnforc...

Some of the biggest challenges in antibiotics are economics not technical e.g., http://emerald.tufts.edu/med/apua/news/news-newsletter-vol-3... The only recent company built on antibiotics (Cubist) was purchased for a revenue stream and its R&D was disassembled by Pharma in the last year or so. You can bet that a good amount of organization knowledge has been lost. There are some start ups out there, but as far as I understand, there is little will to provide of equity or strategic funding for early development programs/companies. With the timelines in this industry, that doesn't bode well for 'breakthroughs' in the near future. With the recent idiocy and avarice of some of the "actors" in the industry (e.g., pharma bro, epi-pen). I am bracing for a backlash on pricing, even on needed products) which would further decrease the economic will for companies/funds to invest in early stage programs. Some comments here tout that the the wonders of science will solve this given time. Maybe so, but it's also possible that the burden of economics (and lowest-common denominator politics) could quench the wonders of science for the near term.

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask your brother to stop the intake of sugar completely for 3 month (including all the hidden sugar in any processed food). I know this from myself and couple people which had acne that if you stop the intake of artificial sugar long enough the acne will mostly vanish. Even today whenever I eat high amounts of sugar I know for sure what will happen. I think this is a good example of misuse of antibiotics.

There are many good reasons for cutting down on sugar, but before we get enthusiastic, it is worth recognising that there is no established link between diet and acne. See the 'common myths' section. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acne/Pages/Causes.aspx

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/1/107.full.pdf+html

"A low-glycemic-load diet improves symptoms in acne vulgaris patients: a randomized controlled trial"

Cohort size 43 persons.

My summary: At 12 wk, mean total lesion counts had decreased more in the low-glycemic-load group ( 23.5 +/- 3.9) than in the control group ( 12.0 +/- 3.5).

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

#148
post #6

Rather than weakening the attacker (killing the bacteria) we could look for ways to strengthen the organism (boost the body's own defense mechanisms). The health industry as a whole, has been weakened by the discovery of antibiotics and designer molecules, and as a result now spends too many resources on looking for killer chemicals (antibiotics and other drugs). But there are other ways. One way is to follow the thr…

This is a category mistake. Treating bacteria (foreign pathogens of an entirely different species) and treating cancer (which are rogue cells belonging to individuals) are not the same thing.

What you're describing is the normal pharmacological approach to cancer treatment. Because these are the individual's own cells sharing the vast majority of its characteristics with normal, healthy cells, you have to go deep into the handful of mutations that occur that cause unmitigated cell proliferation (leading to cancer). These are targeted for treatment.

Bacteria are a foreign species and have all sorts of foreign biochemistry that can be taken advantage of. The health industry is not doing anyone a disservice by going after the low hanging fruit. Why climb through the 3rd story window when you can waltz through the front door?

Boosting the body's defense mechanisms could carry more risk that just attacking the organism. Boosting chemotaxis (WBC migration) to an area will increase inflammation which has it's own set of potentially dangerous risks. Sensitizing the adaptive immune system's to bacterial antigens runs the risk of autoimmune attack on similar-looking antigens in the host.

This isn't like D&D where you can take one point from "bactericidal" and put it into "immune boost." There are big systems in play and hardly anything can be reduced "one weird trick."

> Look at the molecular machinery of the Polymerase Chain Reaction which makes copies of DNA molecules

Antifolates, topoisomerase inhibitors, imidazoles, rifamycins are classes of antibiotics that target pathogen DNA/RNA synthesis.

> Not to mention the Ribosome which is the molecular machine in your cells which manufactures protein molecules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosome

Aminoglycosides, tetracyclines, oxazolidinones, peptidyl transferase, macrolides, lincosamides, and streptogramins are all classes of antibiotics that target bacterial ribosomal units.

> And there is Reverse Transcription which converts RNA molecules to DNA molecules

Using reverse transcriptase pharmacologically would undoubtedly be dangerous, difficult, unnecessary, and ineffective. You'd basically have to engineer a virus that knows how to use reverse transcriptase that also targets the right pathogen and rewrites a portion of its DNA.

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#149
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit impracticle given real world data shows that "About 60 percent of men and 40 percent of women will have an affair at some point in some marriage "Monogamy Myth", Therapist Peggy Vaugn" aka ~50% of couples who think they are monogamous are actually non monogamous (non consensually)

Well, it works well for me. 16 years married, and I have never cheated. In fact most of my friends and colleagues have been married a long time, including my friend Irving. He and his wife have been married for 70 years (they're both 92). The percentages are meaningless when we're talking personal choice. It is a valid way of avoiding STD's, and a choice I made back in 1990 when I was 20.

Good for you! Self control turns out to be an advantage for many things in life.

It's even better as you get older and begin to appreciate that enduring fidelity actually increases love. But I guess many here don't know that.

Statistics say most people are weak willed. shrug. That's obvious, and still not a reason to live that way.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

#150
post #2

And then there are these stories : http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/287745.php talking about how there are all sorts of Antibiotics we don't even know about (yet). Or drugs that also kill bacteria ( http://phys.org/news/2016-02-major-breakthrough-antibiotic-r... ) or even this ( https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/20/antibi... ) Basically as we get to understand exactly how cells work and how b…

You should check out Nassim Taleb's "Black Swan"..
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