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Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by chestervonwinch »

vidarh wrote: post #81
wastedhours wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I know I have no data to back up my point that all drugs are only taken for their impact on the mind, but I know that alcohol isn't solely taken for its impact on the mind. Wine is tasty. Beer is tasty. Brandy is tasty. And (anecdotally) know many people who aren't just drinking them to get out of their heads...

Most alcoholic drinks are extremely acquired tastes. Try finding people who haven't drunk much alcohol before adulthood and give them tastes of a selection of beers and wines, and I'd be willing to bet that most would find most of them disgusting. I'm 41, and I still haven't acquired a taste for beer. I find it absolutely awful. I can tolerate most wines, but outside of extremely sweet dessert wines I have never tast…

Yes. I think there is a good analogy to be made with spicy foods. I enjoy spicy foods, but I developed a taste for them over the years and the "natural high" induced by eating them. As a particular example, I remember absolutely hating the flavor of crushed red pepper, but now I can't get enough of the stuff.

Of course, once you've developed a taste, then you might seek out foods that balance spice with flavor, and you appreciate novel interplays between the two --- in the same way that a consumer of alcohol might seek out a variety of beer, wine, or liquor that balances flavor and alcohol content.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by Nursie »

CoryG89 wrote: post #123
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #71

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First, it is pretty rare for folks to take LSD daily, outside of the current trend of microdosing for treating depression, etc. In this case, it seems generally no more faulty than a glass of wine a day. Besides, this is comparing apples to oranges - you'd need to compare an alcoholic, drinking vodka, to the daily user for that to be an apt comparison. And honestly, at that point I'm not too sure who I want to spend…

I'm not sure where they are getting their 25% figure for heroin in your linked article. They link to yet another article as a source, but I see no mention of the 25% there. The claim seems to be that only 25% of people who try the drug once will end up being addicts. While I doubt this claim in itself, I think this percentage would go way up if you looked only at people who had reasonable access/resources to acquire…

Alcohol is physically addictive, certainly. Withdrawal can kill people with a particularly bad habit.

It may not be addictive in an identical way to heroin, but it is addictive, much more so than the other two you mention.

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Post by dannypgh »

pluma wrote: post #120
eropple wrote: post #42

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It depends on the audience for those drugs and their relationship to the people making laws. Take, for example, crack versus cocaine. Crack and cocaine are nearly identical drugs. Crack has the same sentence for one gram as cocaine does for eighteen. (The disparity used to be five times greater before 2010.) But crack users are more likely to be black, low-income, and less educated. I can't imagine why they'd be a pr…

Crack and Cocaine are nearly identical from a chemical perspective, but not from how they are used and their effect: http://www.attn.com/stories/2643/crack-vs-cocaine It's comforting to think it's all just a ploy to get at black people (like how cannabis was rebranded as "marijuana" because it associates it with those pesky Mexicans everybody hates) but there are valid reasons to be more afraid of crack than of cocai…

From your article, it certainly does seem like injected powder cocaine and smoked crack cocaine are about the same on the body. And you can trivially make crack from powdered cocaine.

Nobody has said they're 100% the same besides racism. The claim is that racism plays a role in why the sentencing disparities exist.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by Nursie »

CoryG89 wrote: post #128
Nursie wrote: post #102

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Sorry you disagree but the data really isn't on your side here. I'm not sure why you find it offending. The line between alcohol use and abuse is a very fine one, plenty of people cross it all the time. Many of them end up dead. If you look at all the people who try, say, cannabis, and count who gets addicted and who dies or gets sick from it, then compare those percentages to alcohol, alcohol comes out far, far wors…

Alcohol is not physically addictive in the same way opiates or cocaine is addictive. It's silly to be scared of becoming "addicted" to alcohol. After many years of abuse, alcoholics can get to the point that their bodies dont function properly without some alcohol, but they already have to have a problem for many years to get to that point.

Alcohol is considered one of the more addictive drugs, when compared to LSD, cannabis, ketamine, ecstasy and all sorts of other recreational substances.

It just pales in comparison to heroin and cocaine. And meth.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by dannypgh »

ievahanordah wrote: post #126

Like typing into an abyss of dumb. "LSD makes you wear flowers in your hair". Someone kill me please, make the misery end.

If you're finding hackernews so miserable after only 22 hours, leaving the site seems a better option than suicide.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by ievahanordah »

atom-morgan wrote: post #125
ievahanordah wrote: post #124

"I get that the right to consume any substance one wants into one's own body is a basic human right"." To do that you have to posses it first, which is a felony. Felony != "human right". Whatever the fuck a "human right" even is supposed to mean. Dumbass

Possession being a felony doesn't mean it's right.

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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by omginternets »

Natsu wrote: post #3

The downside of this, sadly, is that he appears to have mental health issues. Unless he has some outside support, which may be difficult with his dad being dead and having been incarcerated since something like 1994, he would be rather likely to end up on the street, alone :( Here's hoping there are people on the outside to help him out.

>incarcerated since something like 1994

Wow. Wait until he sees a cell-phone...

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by dannypgh »

hyperliner wrote: post #34
pcurve wrote: post #16

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People's view evolve. It wasn't that long when vast majority of Americans were against gay marriage.

They evolve when it becomes politically convenient.

Lots of things can be seen as politically convenient, e.g. drumming up fear of Islam and Mexicans. I'd rather a politician that was advocating for a politically convenient positive change than a politically convenient negative one.

Sure, one that consistently advocated for positive change would be best. But have you seen polls about the number of people who believe in witchcraft or support Trump? In the US, we arrive at bad choices because around half of the country believes and supports bad things. We'll have to fix that before we can expect more from democratically elected politicians.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by exDM69 »

tigershark wrote: post #101
Nursie wrote: post #97

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The thing is that alcohol is objectively more dangerous and more harmful than many/most illegal drugs. It has both acute and chronic health effects, it's addictive and it causes (or at least facilitates) all sorts of social problems including a lot of violence. It kills its users and its users sometimes kill or hurt other people when under its influence. It always amazes me how willing people are to overlook the evil…

Absolutely no. It may be true to some extent for alcohol abuse . Saying that alcohol is objectively more harmful and dangerous than many/most illegal drugs is simply an outrageous lie. I never saw anyone die for a glass of wine a day, I guess that there is plenty of cases of death for regular drugs users. It's simply disconcerting that you encourage the use of illegal drugs saying that are not dangerous on a public w…

> I never saw anyone die for a glass of wine a day, I guess that there is plenty of cases of death for regular drugs users.

And I've never seen anyone die from taking "regular drugs" recreationally.

This is just a stupid comparison. You're comparing "a glass of wine" to a "drug user". A more apt comparison would be "someone who drinks three bottles of wine a day" and "a person who smokes heroin/crack/amphetamines daily" (IV use would be closer to drinking bottles of hard booze).

Both of these groups of people have an increased risk of death, permanent health damage, mental issues and a risk to others around them.

The theory that everyone who tries drugs will become an addict and a daily user simply isn't true.

> It's simply disconcerting that you encourage the use of illegal drugs saying that are not dangerous on a public website.

It's a perfectly valid opinion that drugs should not be illegal. You do not have to agree with that and you should definitely not be offended by it. It's a discussion that will likely be taken in your country too in the next few decades.

No-one is saying they aren't dangerous (and if they are, that's misleading), but making comparisons to e.g. alcohol and tabacco is a valid thing to do. And if you look at the hard facts, the illegal status isn't that obviously justified.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Post by jaynos »

hyperliner wrote: post #34
pcurve wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People's view evolve. It wasn't that long when vast majority of Americans were against gay marriage.

They evolve when it becomes politically convenient.

Still better than not evolving.
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