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> Signal Desktop is a Chrome app So yeah, the statement from parent still stands.
The line between desktop and web apps is becoming more and more blurred these days, so this seems like an inconsequential argument.
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Telegram uses a home-brewed crypto protocol and posted a challenge to break it by pasting some ciphertext. In my eyes they're ridiculous. Just use Signal Messager.
The author of Signal (Moxie Marlinspike) seems actively hostile to not only federation efforts but also compatibility with other clients, even one that only removed the dependency of Signal on Google Play Services: http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/signal-lock-in.ht...
Which is a legal right in the EU (and even allows you to reverse engineer proprietary code for the purpose of writing your own system that interoperates with a proprietary one), so this is very sketchy.
Moxie seems like a Google-employee.
This is an incredibly ugly dark pattern. The 'share information with Facebook' nugget is hidden behind a toggle at the bottom of the screen, and will be guaranteed to be missed by the 99% of users who just want to talk to their friends. Then, once you've agreed to the terms and conditions, you've got a completely arbitrary 30 days to read an online article which tells you what you've signed up for before WhatsApp is…
Or... you know... just use something like Telegram that isn't owned by Facebook. Their data-sharing / privacy policy is pretty simple https://telegram.org/privacy 1. Sharing data We never share your data with anyone. No.
I notice nobody in this thread has yet mentioned the FOSS (Apache license), cross-platform, encrypted messenger ChatSecure https://chatsecure.org/ The Guardian Project writes a bunch of nice software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian_Project_(software...
It’s actually usable, supports a lot more encryption methods, is more up to date, and actually looks okay.
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Probably not, but the hilarious thing is that a year or so after attacking Telegram for that, the developers of Signal took a substantial chunk of cash from Google to promote Allo as using Signal Protocol and end to end encryption, even though it's disabled by default so Google can mine your chat history for ad targeting (and enabling it has the inconvenient side effect of disabling your own local chat history). Basi…
> charge everyone to licence it What? The protocol is publicly described. They've blogged about it. I can imagine people being able to reconstruct it from memory. The first Google result for "signal protocol license" is https://whispersystems.org/blog/license-update/ , clarifying that it's under GPLv3 (i.e., patent grant) with an exception for the App Store. Has anyone paid money to license the protocol? Has Signal a…
As Allo is not GPLv3, they obviously got it under another license.
> the discussions are large and come from three different perspectives The discussions have ballooned, but having read the other two in the morning, this one just feels like a rehash of the same privacy concerns folks have raised. And for anyone reading about possible solutions to their concerns, they'd have to jump between 2-3 different threads now. I'm glad there's at least WhatsApp thread is on front page for ever…
Fair enough, but I don't see a clearly better solution. Do you? Since this is a bit meta I've detached the subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12361031 and marked it off-topic.
Especially since the bulk other thread was already talking about privacy concerns and most users would go down that route.
Also, you already do a great job moderating here, but this is just one of those few situations where I'm in disagreement with you on this particular instance.
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It's nice to live in a world where everything is simple. I wish I did.
Please be careful about rationalisation of things. Its easy to build up argument for why you need to have Facebook. We all know how dark the waters of Facebook are (with all the tech knowledge, monetising schemes and smelly dark patterns). Yet very few actualy at least try to do something about it. Its part addiction, part fear and well i dont know what. I think that least everyone here should do is to think about th…
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It's not that simple. There are many many ways that your information can end up being referenced in an identity graph and be discoverable by Facebook that don't involve signing up for Facebook at all. It's more - don't sign into a public wifi network, don't hand over your email address at a checkout, don't sign up for a store card.. oh, and don't sign up for Facebook either. Not just that, but even if your number is…
> There are many many ways that your information can end up being referenced in an identity graph and be discoverable by Facebook Of course, it's not simple. Additional measure might include using browser extensions like Ghostery, uBlock origin. I know people find it hard to do, but avoid using Google search. Use Duckduckgo instead. Block ads. Some sites refuse to load up for that reason. I'm ok giving those a pass :…
This is an incredibly ugly dark pattern. The 'share information with Facebook' nugget is hidden behind a toggle at the bottom of the screen, and will be guaranteed to be missed by the 99% of users who just want to talk to their friends. Then, once you've agreed to the terms and conditions, you've got a completely arbitrary 30 days to read an online article which tells you what you've signed up for before WhatsApp is…
Most don't like hearing this: if you don't want your personal information to be shared, don't use these "social media" tools. I suspect that you'd be familiar with LinkedIn dark patterns [0] too. [0] https://medium.com/@danrschlosser/linkedin-dark-patterns-3ae...